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9 Facts That Show White-on-White Crime Far Exceeds Black-on-Black Crime and How Media Outlets Conceal It

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Edward Wycoff Williams, an author, columnist and political analyst for MSNBC, conveyed a reality that many do not seem to know is real. Williams wrote for The Root: “It seems that the media in general and white American society in particular prefer to focus on crime perpetrated by African Americans because it serves as a way to absolve them from the violence, prejudice and institutionalized discrimination engendered for generations against blacks. It offers a buffer against responsibility, a way to shift blame and deflect cause and effect. But the truth, and numbers, tell a different story. At the heart of an increasingly violent society is not a subculture among Blacks, but the violence and criminality of many Americans, and whites in particular. No one seems to speak about this. Why? Because the snake oil was duly purchased and consumed. It is time for race-based pseudo-facts to be challenged and dismantled.”

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176 thoughts on “9 Facts That Show White-on-White Crime Far Exceeds Black-on-Black Crime and How Media Outlets Conceal It

  1. Simon Si says:

    The problem with those statistics is that they can easily be used by racist whites to buttress their counter position that blacks still disproportionately commit more violent crimes than whites. They can use the same food stamp/TANF counter arguments by specifically arguing that it is the ratio or proportionality, not the numbers, that truly matter. And of course they would be absolutely right, as much as I hate to admit it.
    To truly debunk the Black criminality myth or the Black welfare queen myth, it is the narrative that needs to be changed and scrutinized, not the statistics. For instance, instead of focusing on TANF and Food Stamps figures, we should focus on total government assistance, including Medicare and all other forms of assistance. Only then we can have a real picture of the racial group that benefits the most from government hand outs. For example, even though the non-hispanic white population makes up about 63% of the population (and that's an inflated figure), non-hispanic whites overall make up about 69% of all receipients of government assistance.
    When it comes to overall violent behavior, whites are even more overrepresented. Again, we have to change the narrative from petty poverty related robberies to overall violent behavior committed by both whites and blacks. Whites have historically committed more violent crimes and still commit more violence against both themselves and non-whites collectively as a race than all other races combined.

  2. One very simplistic fact is if our government or the media wanted black criminality to appear less volatile than that of white folk they can certainly do so. All we have to do is see this play out in the media as it is. When crime happens show it regardless of color. And boy would that not be a good look for some but instead there is an agenda and it's been in motion heavy since abolition.

  3. Scott Wolf says:

    The author makes some valid points and I'm sure much of this article is true, but from an "argument" perspective, I think it's kind of weak. There are some pretty big generalizations being made in is article. Some of which are moderately backed by statistics, but we all know that statistics can be sued depending on who's presenting them and their source. Also, I would assume there would be more than four (4) sources for an article like this. Especially, when three of the four sources (websites) are geared prominently toward the African-American community. These sites are definitely going to have some biases. I know there is biases everywhere, but an attempt should be made to mitigate them as much as possible. How about sources from the scientific community, ones that have been peer reviewed (for example). The author might have a little more validity with more robust sources.

    On a personal note, I'm not ever sure when the last time I've heard the term "black-on-black violence". It seems likes a late 80's to mid 90's term that was often used by the African- America community as a moniker to help bring the community together. Anyone remember the rap "We are headed for self-destruction"? The fact is race relations could always be better the US, no matter what races we're talking about. However, having travelled all over the world, twice to Afghanistan, I believe we are lucky to be in the country we live. It can definitely be worse.

  4. James Hanks says:

    white people have been saying this for years….racist white people.

  5. Dave Smith says:

    For the love of God stay out of white Neighborhoods, schools, churches, colleges, Universities and white majority states and towns for your own safety. We black people are much safer in black majority countries and areas. When you see white people know that your risk of being murdered becomes extremely high.

  6. Steve Marx says:

    Blacks are 13% of the population, but are 28% of the offenders.This author doesn't seem to understand that more isn't the same as percentage.he states that there are aprox. 6 whites to 1 black in the general population.He states whites commit certain crimes at a rate of 2 to 1. That means out his sample 2 of the 6 whites are offenders and all the blacks are offenders http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2013-crime-statistics-from-the-national-incident-based-reporting-system.

  7. Where have you been living I hear Bill O' Reilly use the term often. (often for a newscaster) One thing the aricle didn't account for was "white collar" crime. I don't think pointing the finger at anyone would help but since blacks have always had the finger pointed at us, why not? (slight sarcasm)

  8. Wesley Sneed says:

    Honestly That's the 1st thing I looked for…Sources. I was dissapointed.

  9. Lou Thomas says:

    Sources, percentages, this is BS simply because they are taking all account which includes domestic. It also fails to show percentages of murders to other offences. If you actually take time to go through it you would see there are more blacks killing blacks. this article is not comparing it' facts accurately. once again msnnbc is wrong and this paper is wrong.

  10. Medicare is not government assistance.

  11. Nicole A-me says:

    Someone should read this article to the young black men and women, who have been murdered by other black people. Black on black crime is made up by whites to make us look bad. Those murder victims must not be dead if it's all made up. If the answer to problems is to say there is no problem, then all is forever well.

  12. Why are they using pictures from Poland?

  13. What? The article does not say that black on black crime does not exist. Its saying that white on white crimes are commited just as often if not more often but its not used agaist them to say they as a whole are a violent race hell its barely even mentioned in the media or in our society as a topic of issue

  14. ur doing the statistical math wrong… If 1 blak person kills someone then 2 white people have killed someone. Thats how u get the 2to1 ratio. It is not derived by the total number of each population its the total number of each crime commited and how many were white how many were black.

  15. Simon Si says:

    You must be one of those Tea Party retards with that retarded "keep the government out of my Medicare" statement. Medicare is a government assistance program that covers about half of all the enrollees' medical expenses. It's the biggest entitlement program in the US. Here, educate yourself; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States).

  16. Simon Si You are the retard. People that work, no matter what their color, pay into this system. Medicare is paid by those who get up off their ass and go to work, something I have grave diubts that you do.

  17. Charles Cunningham if its not about color why did you bring it up? and why did you assume simon si doesnt work. thats pretty racist and prejudice.

  18. Simon Si says:

    Looks like we have an even bigger retard here. Let me repeat, the government covers about half of all medical expenses for Medicare enrollees. That's actually a lot more than they cover for nutrition for working participants who receive food stamps assistance. SMH. And that's why MEDICARE IS THE LARGEST ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM. REPEAT, MEDICARE IS THE LARGEST ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM. SMH.

  19. Pia Mo says:

    Elizabeth Garcia Some people should not have access to the internet. You're amazingly low informed.

  20. Simon Si, you will never get people who believe they are entitled to admit that they are the largest collectors of government assistance. Its not something they can wrap their heads around. it would require them to see themselves differently.

  21. Charles Carlies, if you are referring to Medicare it is not government assistance, anyone who ever worked paid into it. It and Social Security are the only 2 government programs that are entitlement. All others are giveme's.

  22. Simon Si says:

    I guess you are right Charles, those willfully ignorant retards simply can't understand that if the government contributes as much as half toward the cost of medical care for ALL MEDICARE ENROLLEES, then it is considered government assistance. All the money that people contribute toward Medicare only covers half of the cost, the tax payers pick up the rest. Repeat, Medicare is the LARGEST ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM. Those retards need to learn that simple FACT.

  23. Simon, the government contributes nothing to medicare. Medicare is a giant ponzi scheme. The taxpayer pickup none of the costs of medicare, all taxpayer want os the governemnt to pay back the 2.3 trillion it has borrowed from Social Security and Medicare. Medicare is an entitlement program because allwho have worked paid for it.

  24. Okay, you have moved from smoking the Kool-Aid to injecting it.

  25. How do you figure a program where you never manage to get the amount of money out of, you put into….an entitlement program?

  26. How do you figure a program where you never manage to get the amount of money out of, you put into….an entitlement program?

  27. ……and the finger pointing continues.

  28. Debbie, most people get their money back. It depends on how long you live.

  29. Debbie, most people get their money back. It depends on how long you live.

  30. Nicole A-me says:

    Sherell Jackson There are more white people than blacks. We are 13% of the U.S. population, whites are close to 50%. If there are 100 of us and 25 of us get killed that is 25% of our group. If there are 1000 of them and 100 get killed that is 10% of their population. Yes more of them kill each other, but 1)they have more people to kill but we still have a higher percentage of killing each other which makes us look like a violent race.

  31. Simon then why do I have to pay for my Medicare. It comes out of my social Security that I paid into along with the company I worked for. The Government also says that Social Security is an entitlement also. People pay into it and it should be theirs but the Government over the years has decided that it is their money when THEY need it.

  32. John Vorel says:

    Get out of town.
    Black propaganda.

  33. Simon Si says:

    You people are seriously beyond retard. I specifically posted the link above to EDUCATE you about the Medicare program. The government, meaning the tax payers, contributes half of all the costs of medical care for Medicare enrollees. It's like FACTS don't matter to you people. Do not confuse Medicare with Social Security. The tax payers pick up half the tab for your Medicare costs. Medicare is no different than Food Stamps or any other government assistance program. It's an entitlement program, meaning, you are entitled to the assistance if you meet the eligibility requirement. And keep in mind that even though my paycheck has specific amount of taxes taken for Medicare, those taxes only cover half of the cost of Medicare. And by the way, a portion of my Federal, State, and City taxes also go toward other safety net programs, not just toward Medicare. And it's only right if I end up losing my job or falling ill that some of those taxes are used to give me a temporary assistance.

  34. Matt Silcox says:

    So this means not all whites are racist anymore?
    Since we only kill whites……..

  35. People make up this shit to make another group of people look bad and and so many fall for it smh. They choose what people to look at what time period do it can fit the image they are trying to impose on you.

  36. Jason Guess says:

    So you don't want Medicare when it comes time for you?

  37. Jason Guess says:

    Don't be a hater. Be a lover.

  38. Jason Guess says:

    The government and media is addicted to racism. There's a lot of votes and money on the line. It's pathetic. Evil is evil no matter what. Let Justice be dealt and stop all the drama.

  39. Yall can't really be that naive can you ? I mean seriously ? What in the fuck does it matter if it's black on black or white on white……it's still fucking crime lol. The color of your skin doesn't have shit to do with it. This country needs to wake the fuck up and realize there people out there that run behind the scenes that plant this racism shit in the media to divide the country. Why you ask ? Because a country that is divided is much easier to control

  40. Many of the points expressed in this piece are true but much of its validity is undone by poor data analysis. For example, this section starts well but ends terribly: "According to the FBI’s most recent homicide numbers available, from 2011, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians. (Of murders committed by Blacks, only 14 percent were of whites.) And because whites are the majority in the country — there are six times as many whites as there are Blacks — that means they commit the most murders." The last sentence simply is not true. FBI homicide data for 2013 (link below) shows that African Americans commit more murders than whites (5375 to 4396), so I'm not sure what the author is talking about here. So not only is his assumption about white murder rates based on their % of the population completely wrong, it takes away from the reason "black on black crime" is such an issue in our community. We not only commit homicide in a rate far out of proportion to our population %, but we are also disproportionately victims of those crimes. We can debate all day long for the reasons (structural inequality, poverty, etc.) why this is the case but let's at least be clear AND honest about what the data says.

    http://1.usa.gov/1s0PggD

  41. Brian Odom says:

    Exactly. A percentage only tells a proportion and not the total. Bad math. Also, the percentage of race of victims doesn't tell the rate of crime either (which is much higher in black communities, which is why I got the hell out).

    This is why black problems never get solved. Because of spin-doctoring like this. Step one to any solution is admission of a problem. But reading this, there is no problem. Matter of fact, black neighborhoods are safer! Tell that to all the mothers whose sons are being shot to dead by senseless violence. Tell that to all the kids growing up without fathers. Tell that to all the people who know someone who's locked up.

    Nope, no problem here. White on white is even worse! By that token, we need to do whatever we can to help to make white neighborhoods safer. Oh, they want the National Guard in Baltimore? Nope, don't bring them in. The media is the problem as they keep showing all the "bad images". And of course, white people riot too, just look at Kentucky basketball. So, no, there is absolutely NO problem going on in Baltimore, and any civil unrest we see, it's all the media's fault, in which only "a few" people are the ones doing it.

    Pull the wool over the eyes as there is nothing to see here. Ignore the man behind the curtain.

  42. That is completely illogical. Not even sure how people disguise this nonsense the US was founded on a Genocide committed by White people Killing native indian you add the amount of deaths caused by Native American holocaust , US Backed Invasion and Slavery all directly supported by white supremacy the idea that "Blacks" Ex people descendant form ex slaves are somehow more violent is nonsensical. It require someone live in Disney land and pretend that these millions and millions of lives who died at the hands of war crime by European simply didn't exist .

  43. Nicole A-me says:

    Brandon Shorter most everyone agrees America was founded by genocide of many groups. Native people have been made nearly extinct in America and Australia but it was due to white folks murdering them. We black people are killing each other and reducing our population by abortion. Why do you care if whites kill each other or if they kill more of each other? I do not want my group extincting ourselves and we must acknowledge our problem if we want it to be solved. If white folks killed us in the % that we killed each other, I am sure you would call bs if their defense was "well we kill ourselves in greater numbers." WE need to stop murdering our own people.

  44. Charles Cunningham Reading your replay, it seems to me that you're a racist asshole..so shut your piehole and take a good look in the mirror…punk!

  45. Justin Hall says:

    I live in black community with my black woman and have hung in black areas for half my life I'm not ignorant to what goes on

  46. Rick Uyeda says:

    Mr Williams, put your article in perspective. Include the Populations of Whites vs Blacks. If you have 100 Whites vs 2 Blacks, of course the number of White against White crimes will be higher. Take that into account.

  47. Simon si well said…. Well said rebuttal with documentation, white people assume black people let alone black men are uneducated thugs… This mindset seems to be running deep and widespread… It Will never stop no matter how many statistics of college education blacks superseed and how much we are employed . We can't ever escape the ignorance. 🙁

  48. I love the pictures from Italy. Nothing to do with America. Plus, these facts are indeed not true.

  49. Zj Sky says:

    There are more whites in America hence more white on white crime.

  50. The picture shown was taken in Poland so such much for the truth. How about some photos of Boko Haram in Africa. This article was written by an idiot or bunch of idiots!

  51. Zj Sky says:

    Anyone else find it funny that "Atlanta BLACK Star" is writing articles about race and racism.

  52. Zj Sky says:

    with all due respect = the natives warred on each other for 1000s of years committing acts of genocide, slavery, etc on each other. Americans were more organized and had better technology therefore they won.

  53. Zj Sky says:

    read other articles by Atlanta blackstar and you'll see this is not the NY Times you are dealing with here 🙂

  54. Kurt Goss says:

    I guess that means that we can put an end to the phony "Welfare cuts are racist!" crap once and for all and finally start cutting the bloated costs of same. Good news all around!

  55. couldn't fit this on one page? bah, never mind, [presses back button].

  56. Wow.
    Medicare is an entitlement program in that a person who pays in is entitled to draw out after they reach a certain age BY RIGHT. It's not something that is simply given to you because you need aid for whatever reason as is the case with standard government assistance. Yes, there is a difference. I never said anything about it not being an entitlement. I said it isn't government assistance. If you want to be technical and call it government assistance simply because the government has put itself in charge of running the program that's fine, but that doesn't make other people "retarded".

    Incidentally, the money that pays for Medicare expenditures comes from payroll taxes paid by most employees, employers, and people who are self-employed, plus other sources, like income taxes on Social Security benefits, interest earned on the trust fund investments, and Medicare Part A premiums from people who aren't eligible for premium-free Part A . That money goes into two specific trust funds and Medicare payments can only be paid from within these two trust funds.
    (I don't need your wiki link, you can get info straight from the government's actual website.)

    And it actually pays 80/20, AFTER your out of pocket deductible is met, AND it only covers allowables, which means your doctor may say he wants you to have a specific procedure or device ("device" is a medical term …for us low informed retards that don't know anything… for such things as DME supplies, stents, etc. ) but if it doesn't fall under a Medicare allowable based on HCPCS codes on claims for orders under a specific ICD-9 code, with proof of medical necessity, you get the joy of being responsible for the full bill.
    So no, not only does it does NOT cover "half of all the enrollees' medical expenses", it does not pay for ANY expenses using any money other than what has been paid into the designated trust funds.

    Bottom line: It's your money, you paid for it, and you're entitled to it. People who apply for government assistance because they can't support themselves are NOT receiving money they are ENTITLED TO. That money is given to them courtesy of everyone's else's pay checks…. you know, all us retards who work to keep food on the table.
    No one has a RIGHT to government assistance, they are just lucky to be citizens of a country that has a system in place that takes care of the needy (or the chronically lazy, whichever the case may be). Just wait until there's more being paid out than is coming in and see how much people are actually "entitled to".

  57. Simon Si says:

    I don't see how targeting only the areas of government assistance where blacks are disproportionately overrepresented due to underemployment or low wages can be characterized as anything but racist. For tax cuts to truly be unbiased they would have to also target the areas where whites are overrepresented, but we all know that's not the case. "Also, contrary to what a substantial share of Americans may assume, non-Hispanic whites receive slightly more than their proportionate share of entitlement benefits. Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 64 percent of the population in 2010 and received 69 percent of the entitlement benefits. In contrast, Hispanics made up 16 percent of the population but received 12 percent of the benefits, less than their proportionate share — likely because they are a younger population and also because immigrants, including many legal immigrants, are ineligible for various benefits. Non-Hispanic African Americans account for about 14 percent of the population and received 14 percent of the benefits."

  58. Eric Layne says:

    You may not realize it but 'retard' is a politically incorrect term, and is offensive to many people.

  59. Eric Layne says:

    Here are the actual government figures reported by Holder and the FBI for 2013 homicides in the US black males on average commit 40 homicides per 100,000 population where white males average 5 per 100,000 so a black male is 8 times more likely to murder someone than a white man. blacks commit half of the murders in the US but are only 13% of the population.
    , http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

  60. Simon Si says:

    You committed the same fallacy the author made, and that is to take those statistics literally at their (prima facie) face value just because they are the most cited sources by the general population, although social scientists do NOT rely on them. FBI statistics are subject to the same racialized biases that everything else in our society is subject to — they are fraught with intentional underreporting of white crimes and outright racism. Moreover, the racial make up of the populations from which law enforcement agencies report crimes to a national database do not reflect accurately the nation's racial breakdown. African Americans make up the bulk of those populations where law enforcement agencies report crimes, although we only make up about 14% of the population. Law enforcement agencies that service predominantly white neighborhoods simply do not report or underreport crimes to the FBI for various reasons. Thus those statistics above disproportionately reflect areas populated mostly by blacks. And that's why racist whites love to use them as evidence to buttress a putative pathology of black criminality. Unfortunately they are not alone, too often well-meaning folks use them too, albeit with contextualized caveats of structural and systemic root causes. The truth is, whites commit far more crimes in general, and also far more violent crimes than are reported by law enforcement agencies, both ratio and numbers-wise. We already know that black neighborhoods are being overpoliced, therefore blacks are more likely to be arrested than whites are, often for crimes which are disproportionately committed by whites, such as drug violations. But also when it comes to violent crimes, FBI statistics not only do not reflect accurately mass killings committed by whites (see link posted), but they also underreport violent crimes committed in predominantly white cities and towns for various sociopolitical reasons encompassing concerns over property values and of course a white supremacy agenda. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/10/mass-killings-missing-data/12990815/

  61. Simon Si says:

    You committed the same fallacy the author made, and that is to take those statistics literally at their (prima facie) face value just because they are the most cited sources by the general population, although social scientists do NOT rely on them. FBI statistics are subject to the same racialized biases that everything else in our society is subject to — they are fraught with intentional underreporting of white crimes and outright racism. Moreover, the racial make up of the populations from which law enforcement agencies report crimes to a national database do not reflect accurately the nation's racial breakdown. African Americans make up the bulk of those populations where law enforcement agencies report crimes, although we only make up about 14% of the population. Law enforcement agencies that service predominantly white neighborhoods simply do not report or underreport crimes to the FBI for various reasons. Thus those statistics above disproportionately reflect areas populated mostly by blacks. And that's why racist whites love to use them as evidence to buttress a putative pathology of black criminality. Unfortunately they are not alone, too often well-meaning folks use them too, albeit with contextualized caveats of structural and systemic root causes. The truth is, whites commit far more crimes in general, and also far more violent crimes than are reported by law enforcement agencies, both ratio and numbers-wise. We already know that black neighborhoods are being overpoliced, therefore blacks are more likely to be arrested than whites are, often for crimes which are disproportionately committed by whites, such as drug violations. But also when it comes to violent crimes, FBI statistics not only do not reflect accurately mass killings committed by whites (see link posted), but they also underreport violent crimes committed in predominantly white cities and towns for various sociopolitical reasons encompassing concerns over property values and of course a white supremacy agenda. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/10/mass-killings-missing-data/12990815/

  62. Simon Si says:

    You committed the same fallacy the author made, and that is to take those statistics literally at their (prima facie) face value just because they are the most cited sources by the general population, although social scientists do NOT rely on them. FBI statistics are subject to the same racialized biases that everything else in our society is subject to — they are fraught with intentional underreporting of white crimes and outright racism. Moreover, the racial make up of the populations from which law enforcement agencies report crimes to a national database do not reflect accurately the nation's racial breakdown. African Americans make up the bulk of those populations where law enforcement agencies report crimes, although we only make up about 14% of the population. Law enforcement agencies that service predominantly white neighborhoods simply do not report or underreport crimes to the FBI for various reasons. Thus those statistics above disproportionately reflect areas populated mostly by blacks. And that's why racist whites love to use them as evidence to buttress a putative pathology of black criminality. Unfortunately they are not alone, too often well-meaning folks use them too, albeit with contextualized caveats of structural and systemic root causes. The truth is, whites commit far more crimes in general, and also far more violent crimes than are reported by law enforcement agencies, both ratio and numbers-wise. We already know that black neighborhoods are being overpoliced, therefore blacks are more likely to be arrested than whites are, often for crimes which are disproportionately committed by whites, such as drug violations. But also when it comes to violent crimes, FBI statistics not only do not reflect accurately mass killings committed by whites (see link posted), but they also underreport violent crimes committed in predominantly white cities and towns for various sociopolitical reasons encompassing concerns over property values and of course a white supremacy agenda. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/10/mass-killings-missing-data/12990815/

  63. Simon Si says:

    You committed the same fallacy the author made, and that is to take those statistics literally at their (prima facie) face value just because they are the most cited sources by the general population, although social scientists do NOT rely on them. FBI statistics are subject to the same racialized biases that everything else in our society is subject to — they are fraught with intentional underreporting of white crimes and outright racism. Moreover, the racial make up of the populations from which law enforcement agencies report crimes to a national database do not reflect accurately the nation's racial breakdown. African Americans make up the bulk of those populations where law enforcement agencies report crimes, although we only make up about 14% of the population. Law enforcement agencies that service predominantly white neighborhoods simply do not report or underreport crimes to the FBI for various reasons. Thus those statistics above disproportionately reflect areas populated mostly by blacks. And that's why racist whites love to use them as evidence to buttress a putative pathology of black criminality. Unfortunately they are not alone, too often well-meaning folks use them too, albeit with contextualized caveats of structural and systemic root causes. The truth is, whites commit far more crimes in general, and also far more violent crimes than are reported by law enforcement agencies, both ratio and numbers-wise. We already know that black neighborhoods are being overpoliced, therefore blacks are more likely to be arrested than whites are, often for crimes which are disproportionately committed by whites, such as drug violations. But also when it comes to violent crimes, FBI statistics not only do not reflect accurately mass killings committed by whites (see link posted), but they also underreport violent crimes committed in predominantly white cities and towns for various sociopolitical reasons encompassing concerns over property values and of course a white supremacy agenda. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/10/mass-killings-missing-data/12990815/

  64. Simon Si says:

    If a white person can accuse a well spoken black person in a suit and tie of not having a work ethic based SOLELY on skin color as this poorly written quote from Charles Cunningham clearly shows; "Medicare is paid by those who get up off their ass and go to work, something I have grave diubts that you do." — and it is the word retard that seems to bother you the most, then clearly you and me are from two totally different sides of the "political correct" spectrum, hence all attempts at any type of commonality are futile.

  65. Simon Si says:

    Furthermore, despite the underreporting of white crimes, when it comes to total crimes committed in non-Metropolitan cities and towns,
    Total 695,258.

    White : 580,099.

    Black or
    African : 92,869.
    American

    American
    Indian or : 18,099.
    Alaska
    Native

    Asian : 4,093 98.

    Native
    Hawaiian
    or Other :98.
    Pacific
    Islander

    Blacks are actually underrepresented in more ways than one, not only because we make up about 13% of the perpetrators, but because black areas are also more targeted and overpoliced in non-Metropolitan cities and towns. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  66. Simon Si says:

    Furthermore, despite the underreporting of white crimes, when it comes to total crimes committed in non-Metropolitan cities and towns,
    Total 695,258.

    White : 580,099.

    Black or
    African : 92,869.
    American

    American
    Indian or : 18,099.
    Alaska
    Native

    Asian : 4,093 98.

    Native
    Hawaiian
    or Other :98.
    Pacific
    Islander

    Blacks are actually underrepresented in more ways than one, not only because we make up about 13% of the perpetrators, but because black areas are also more targeted and overpoliced in non-Metropolitan cities and towns. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  67. Simon Si says:

    Furthermore, despite the underreporting of white crimes, when it comes to total crimes committed in non-Metropolitan cities and towns,
    Total 695,258.

    White : 580,099.

    Black or
    African : 92,869.
    American

    American
    Indian or : 18,099.
    Alaska
    Native

    Asian : 4,093 98.

    Native
    Hawaiian
    or Other :98.
    Pacific
    Islander

    Blacks are actually underrepresented in more ways than one, not only because we make up about 13% of the perpetrators, but because black areas are also more targeted and overpoliced in non-Metropolitan cities and towns. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  68. Simon Si says:

    FBI stats breakdown by race ( if you really believe in its accuracy) actually show that non-Hispanic whites are OVERREPRESENTED, accounting for more than 70 % of all crimes in the US, even as much as 90% in some cases, despite making up only 63% of the population, and also despite barely being policed, hence underreported. Lol, not exactly statistics one should be proud of. Can you imagine if the police was reporting white crimes as much as they report black crimes? Scary thought, isn't it?

  69. Simon Si says:

    And keep in mind the figures that she cited above are only from the cities where blacks make up on average more than 50% of the population, and in some cases as much as 80% of the population — and yet only account for a mere 30% of all crimes, and about the same percentage for also for HOMICIDES, despite being overpoliced, despite the fact that police target black neighborhoods more.. I use the word homicide for a reason, and that's because the figures cited above only reflect murders and manslaughters for which there was an arrest or a conviction. They don't reflect the total number of homicides in the cities which was around 15000. And yet blacks only account for 30% of them, (unless one thinks that the areas the most policed are the ones where crimes are more likely to be unsolved). And of course that would be totally irrational, suggesting that whites have to make up the bulk of the perpetrators for those 5000 unsolved homicides, even though blacks make up on average more than 50% of those in the cities. But when we look at the non-Metropolitan crime figures, oh my oh my, all of a sudden we get some sense of white criminality despite being INSANELY underreported, and that is what is even more mindboggling about this. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  70. Simon Si says:

    And keep in mind the figures cited above are only from the cities where blacks make up on average more than 50% of the population, and in some cases as much as 80% of the population — and yet only account for a mere 30% of all crimes, and about the same percentage for also for HOMICIDES, despite being overpoliced, despite the fact that police target black neighborhoods more.. I use the word homicide for a reason, and that's because the figures cited above only reflect murders and manslaughters for which there was an arrest or a conviction. They don't reflect the total number of homicides in the cities which was around 15000. And yet blacks only account for 30% of them, (unless one thinks that the areas the most policed are the ones where crimes are more likely to be unsolved). And of course that would be totally irrational, suggesting that whites have to make up the bulk of the perpetrators for those 5000 unsolved homicides, even though blacks make up on average more than 50% of those in the cities. But when we look at the non-Metropolitan crime figures, oh my oh my, all of a sudden we get some sense of white criminality despite being INSANELY underreported, and that is what is even more mindboggling about this. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  71. Simon Si says:

    And keep in mind the figures cited above are only from the cities where blacks make up on average more than 50% of the population, and in some cases as much as 80% of the population — and yet only account for a mere 30% of all crimes, and about the same percentage for also for HOMICIDES, despite being overpoliced, despite the fact that police target black neighborhoods more.. I use the word homicide for a reason, and that's because the figures cited above only reflect murders and manslaughters for which there was an arrest or a conviction. They don't reflect the total number of homicides in the cities which was around 15000. And yet blacks only account for 30% of them, (unless one thinks that the areas the most policed are the ones where crimes are more likely to be unsolved). And of course that would be totally irrational, suggesting that whites have to make up the bulk of the perpetrators for those 5000 unsolved homicides, even though blacks make up on average more than 50% of those in the cities. But when we look at the non-Metropolitan crime figures, oh my oh my, all of a sudden we get some sense of white criminality despite being INSANELY underreported, and that is what is even more mindboggling about this. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  72. Simon Si says:

    And keep in mind the figures cited above are only from the cities where blacks make up on average more than 50% of the population, and in some cases as much as 80% of the population — and yet only account for a mere 30% of all crimes, and about the same percentage for also for HOMICIDES, despite being overpoliced, despite the fact that police target black neighborhoods more.. I use the word homicide for a reason, and that's because the figures cited above only reflect murders and manslaughters for which there was an arrest or a conviction. They don't reflect the total number of homicides in the cities which was around 15000. And yet blacks only account for 30% of them, (unless one thinks that the areas the most policed are the ones where crimes are more likely to be unsolved). And of course that would be totally irrational, suggesting that whites have to make up the bulk of the perpetrators for those 5000 unsolved homicides, even though blacks make up on average more than 50% of those in the cities. But when we look at the non-Metropolitan crime figures, oh my oh my, all of a sudden we get some sense of white criminality despite being INSANELY underreported, and that is what is even more mindboggling about this. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  73. Simon Si says:

    And keep in mind the figures cited above are only from the cities where blacks make up on average more than 50% of the population, and in some cases as much as 80% of the population — and yet only account for a mere 30% of all crimes, and about the same percentage for also for HOMICIDES, despite being overpoliced, despite the fact that police target black neighborhoods more.. I use the word homicide for a reason, and that's because the figures cited above only reflect murders and manslaughters for which there was an arrest or a conviction. They don't reflect the total number of homicides in the cities which was around 15000. And yet blacks only account for 30% of them, (unless one thinks that the areas the most policed are the ones where crimes are more likely to be unsolved). And of course that would be totally irrational, suggesting that whites have to make up the bulk of the perpetrators for those 5000 unsolved homicides, even though blacks make up on average more than 50% of those in the cities. But when we look at the non-Metropolitan crime figures, oh my oh my, all of a sudden we get some sense of white criminality despite being INSANELY underreported, and that is what is even more mindboggling about this. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  74. Simon Si It's interesting that you are saying these crimes are under reported, yet, there is not source for that. This is the 2013 murder – race on race – stats page from the FBI website. According to these data whites kill more whites and blacks kill more blacks. They don't cross over by much, however, blacks kill more whites than whites kill blacks. This article only touches on one aspect. It fails to mention that men perpetrate more murder and death than women. It also fails to note that more whites are murdered each year than blacks or other races. You know why? Because whites make up 74% of the U.S. population. It's logical that more whites would be murdered than any other race. What it doesn't explain is why the number of black deaths are nearly as high as white, yet blacks make up only 16% of the U.S. population. That is disturbing, but what is more disturbing is it is blacks killing their own race. Whites are the same way. It's all a mess.

  75. Simon Si says:

    How exactly do black commit more crimes when whites commit 580,099, while black commit only 92,869 based on FBI statistics for non-Metropolitan cities and towns. Most people only look at the figures from the cities where blacks make up on average more than 50% of the population, and in some cases as much as 80% of the populations, and yet account only for about 30 % of the crimes (listed in table 49). However, when we look at table 61 (Non-Metropolitan cities and towns) or table 67 (suburban areas ), and even table 55 (Metropolitan areas), the figures show that whites commit an astoundingly high volume of crimes as shown above, way above their proportion of the population, and that is despite the fact that white crimes are underreported. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-61

  76. Elizabeth you really sound like a dirt bag. if you want to go there about money not being entitled to those who apply for government assistance then why don't you talk to your government that enslaved those people that I know your referring TOO about the money there ancestors never got REPARATIONS FOR. MAYBE THERE WOULDn't BE SO MUCH OF THEM ON IT TODAY BECAUSE OF THAT. AND FOR THE RECORD MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF ARE ON IT THEN THOSE YOU ARE REFERRING TO ITS ON THE GOVERNMENT SITE AS WELL.

  77. Simon Si says:

    Lol, Elizabeth Garcia is so retarded that she is conflating Out of Pocket expenses with taxes taken out of a paycheck for Medicare. It is irrelevant how much you end up paying for your own medical care — which is entirely based on one's own chronic health conditions. What matters is the fact that the TAX PAYERS cover half of all enrollees' s government expenses — meaning the MEDICARE TAX taken out of my paycheck only represents half of the government's Medicare expenses. And if you want to ascribe a "political" meaning to the term entitlement, then Medicare consumers are COLLECTIVELY only "entitled" to half of the government's expenses in the program. And since all entitlement programs are basically a huge redistributive system whereby beneficiaries benefit from payments made into the system by those who never get to enjoy those benefits in the first place; and since a huge portion of the population does not even make it to 65 (mostly black people), it means that most of the white enrollees on Medicare are enjoying a disproportionate amount of benefits courtesy of their black compatriots.

  78. Simon Si says:

    Where did you see the term "only" anywhere in the article? So freakin retarded, lol.

  79. Ken Severs says:

    Simon Si Do you make it a habit to say retarded? Even retarded people are smart enough to not do that.

  80. Simon Si So if I understand this correctly, you argue that the national FBI homicide (the only data I focused on) is "subject to the same racialized biases that everything else in our society is subject to" but use regional FBI data as the foundation of your counter-argument. That doesn't make sense to me, especially since blacks and whites don't live in the same areas in proportion to their total population ratio. Most black folk live in the South and around major metropolitan areas so it doesn't surprise me that we represent a small % of total arrests in non-metro areas.

  81. Eric Ingro says:

    ignorant retards Really? and you're the intelligent one? most of us sane people don't use the word retard…just as we don't use the N-word..its all about class and I see you don't have any at all..

  82. Simon Si says:

    Calling someone who displays a severe lack of mental prowess based on their incoherent posts is not indicative of having class or not just because many white people (or really the racially insecure clowns) love to accuse any black person who dares to attack them as having no class. Racist clowns like you using subtle terms are not fooling anybody. I only wish that that INSANE racial insecurity on your part would have subsided a little by now — after 400 years. But obviously it has not, and accordingly expect to get hell from folks like me whenever I come across racist retards like yourself. This is a new generation, scumbag. Get used to it.

  83. I'm not sure, but e could be referring to rampant over-charges and false arrests of blacks on a regular basis — as represented by the Freddy Grey killing wherein he was literally falsely arrested and lied on for possession of an illegal knife that he didn't have, or the Walter Scott shooting that had it not been caught on camera, would have been reported as a violent crime against the cop instead of just a fleeing from a broken taillight stop. Imagine how many of these incidents that are NOT caught and are reported there in the FBI stats as the crimes that these cops SAID they were! How could they not be skewed under these circumstances?

  84. Kent Perry Police reports like the one that stated that Freddy Grey was in possession of an illegal weapon when he clearly wasn't but wound up dead in custody? Or the POLICE REPORT on Walter Scott stating that he attacked the cop and stole his taser (neither of which happened), and got shot in the back for it? How about that Black fellow that just won his case due to a video that SHOWED the police planting drugs in the guy's car — they reported and arrested him for that. THOSE police reports? Oh, okay. The only reason we know these things is because of the growing use of cameras. You don't honestly think that these are new practices for the police, do you? You just don't/won't get it because YOU have probably never had to stand there and actually witnessing these practices at play. I have. I cannot even imagine how many of these police reports are pure fiction.

  85. Avtar Singh says:

    You wont reach many people. They are mentally ill from the mass media

  86. Sandra N Len says:

    It has nothing to do with black or white, it's democrats…Democrats commit the most crimes.

  87. John Vorel says:

    If you are a white male you can not collect welfare. Or its next to impossible. I tried to while very ill unable to work and have had blacks and hispanics who work at the Peekskill NY Social Services office laugh in my face. I was semi-comatose in 1988 and barely could get out of bed but forced myself to go down there and I lost a lot of respect for Social Services and the reverse discrimination that is ingrained in the Welfare system. "Maybe if you were a female and had a baby or were pregnant you might have a chance- haa haaa haa!" F U!

  88. Eric Layne says:

    You realize of course how ridiculous it sounds to say that EVERYONE else is in a conspiracy to cover up massive white crime and murder rates, but you actually know the truth, right? When I go to each cities major newspaper web sites, LA and Chicago for Instance, the enormous left leaning newspapers maintain web data of who was murdered by whom each year, with photos of the victims and the perps, and they closely resemble the FBI data. Also when I have visited major cities, I have benn in areas where 2 or three murders occured in particular parts of town and seen the victims reported in the news the next day. You aren't fooling anybody but yourself.

  89. There are 7x more whites than blacks in the USA so if a white person shoots someone they will most likely be white. Simple math.

    Chinese on Chinese crime in China is MUCH higher than black on black crime in the USA but racists never mention that.

    Duh!

  90. You do realize that the picture is from Poland? Click-bait level: silver.

  91. Well it's the MEDIA that tell these lies.

  92. Simon Si says:

    Delano Squires If I understand you correctly, the fact that I think white crimes are underreported in FBI stats means that I should not even use the figures that are reported. Totally non-sequitur. Your argument would have made some sense if I had said that the figures that were reported were false — however that's not my point, although Natalie above has argued it. I merely put forth the notion that white crimes are underreported, which is about crimes that were not reported. That's like saying if someone thinks that he does not have 100% of any data, then he should not rely on said data. That's why it's a non-sequitur, meaning the argument does not follow. If anything, the figures that were reported can still be used as a valuable guide to help us understand the distribution of criminal activity across the racial spectrum if we carefully analyze them. And as you pointed out, if blacks make up on average more than 50% of the Metropolitan areas (table 55), and they only account for about 20% of all the crimes reported (even as they are overly policed), then we should seriously start to question this putative notion of a black-on-black crime pathology. In the cities where blacks account for as much as 80% of the populations in some cases, they still only account on average for about 30% of all crimes, again as they are INSANELY overpoliced. Obviously we are seriously underrepresented when it comes to criminal activity in this country. However, when we look at crimes in the non-Metropolitan areas, (table 61) we can see that whites account for 80% of those crimes, again we need to keep in mind that white areas are not as policed as black areas, and yet still manage to produce sky-high numbers in criminal activity. And this is exactly what white privilege looks like — it is reflected in virtually all areas of life, even in criminal activity. That is by far the only plausible explanation for why whites commit BY FAR more crimes than blacks ratio-wise, and yet there is a national talk of a putative black-on-black crime pathology. SMH. Just unbelievable.

  93. Just shut up! If you know how stats are reported, you would know that Simon is on point. You do not want to admit that this is the same racist bull crap that is out about welfare. Welfare is a republican program to subsidize farms. Most people on welfare are white and with the middle class losing jobs, there are more whites needing assistance. Also, the red states are the states that need more assistance and the population that will suffer the most will be whites.

  94. Simon Si Furthermore and moreover and unto pertaining. Trying to drop words makes a sub-Saharan American look like and ass tard. Facts are facts.

  95. Why would a white person live next to a Black person? What would be a logical reason? It works both ways.

  96. Incorrect. You are wrong.

  97. Simon Si is correct. Medicare is a government assistance program in that all of its recipients did not pay into it and out of those that do, many get more than what they actually put in and those that get the most taken out hardly ever draw out. For example, let's say that my salary is $120k annually and Bob's is around $40k annually, more will be taken out of my check for medicare than would be taken from Bob but when it is time to draw medicare, Bob and I will get the exact same benefits despite that and also despite the amount of time actually spent working.

  98. Unfortunately your analysis of the statistics that you've chosen is inaccurate, though I wish they were not. It would have been a better argument it you had taken all crime into account.

  99. Ahmet Ozturk says:

    How does this comment not have a million likes?

  100. Lars Ekstrom says:

    No, there were 12,000+ murders in 2013, 6200 of the victims were black, and 90% of black murder victims are killed by other black people.

    compared to about 5500 white people, with 83% of those people killed by white people.

    Black men commit homicide at 6 times the rate as white men, yet poverty rates are only twice as high, and rates of single mother households are only 3 times as high.

  101. Simon Si says:

    Kenneth, you sound like a racially insecure scumbag. Relax, man. This is 2015.

  102. Simon Si says:

    @Eric,( lol, unbelievable) even as the figures stand now, whites still commit more crimes both numbers and ratio-wise. The mind boggling part of it is the fact that whites are seriously under-policed, hence white crimes are less likely to be reported. Whites commit about 83 percent of all crimes in Non Metropolitan areas and still manage to commit about 60% of all the crimes in the cities even though whites make up on average less than 50% of the population in most major American cities. White criminality is simply insane, to put it mildly, not that it is surprising considering the history of Europe. SMH. Crazy stuff, man.

  103. Simon Si says:

    Yes I do, a retard is a retard. I hate euphemisms. There, you have it.

  104. Qualitative vs. Quantitative Analysis is the old classic. So even if we prove more blacks or more whites…i am not sure how this solves anything. Either way it is a problem, outside of that any such statistics just are used only for pointing fingers (traditionally) aimed at people of color to demonize them and therefore make it "acceptable" to do anything or say anything about them…

  105. Kent Perry just curious how does anyone know the validity of the statistics? Do you work for the FBI? Maybe this is more of a philosophical question. But we only can go on what we are told…and history has shown us that reporting is always with a margin of error.

  106. Mike Stern says:

    Simon Si MEDICARE is not government assistance. It is insurance used by the elderly , retired, and disabled to pay for medical costs. You're an idiot.

  107. Mike Stern says:

    Simon Si Your numbers are way off. Check your figures with Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and Washington D.C.

  108. Mike Stern says:

    Simon Si… you don't understand percentiles. blacks make up 13% of the population but commit up to 30% or more of violent crimes. So that makes the black population the most to commit crimes.

  109. John Benning says:

    Think about this, it is how it presented. Look at 48hrs dateline etc it is dressed up some stories are crazy and insane but, overall it is scary the way they present us on the news. Who controls media, who benefits? Think sbout thid the next time you hear a story. Keep an open mind but be critical. Peace

  110. Get off of the site if you think it's a propaganda tag like the sues you usually frequent. You know, like …townhall, reason, red state, , brietbart, etc.

  111. Simon Si Are you saying that there are murders of/by white people that are not being reported in the statistics? I'm willing to buy the concept that some crimes committed might be not getting reported for some reason, but murder seems unlikely. The idea that enough murders would be covered up to effect the statistics does not seem very realistic to me.

    Most crimes are done within the community of the people involved.
    So blacks are primarily the victims of other blacks and whites likewise the.
    victims of other whites. Things like rape are usually done by people the.
    victim knows, etc.

    Your population figures are completely wrong.
    Blacks don't make up 50% of the population of most cities.
    Think about it. The highest concentration of our populations are in the.
    cities, to be 50%+ of the population there they would need to be nearly 50%+.
    of the population as a whole.

    There are a number of cities that are heavily black, like Detroit with around.
    82%, but if you look at a city like New York (with the most blacks at 2.2 Million) they make up less than 30%. In the city of LA they make up less than 10%.

  112. Paul Cooley says:

    Simon Si, you right. My wife is in law enforcement. We live in and are from Chicago. I know for a fact that FBI fudges its numbers, how could they not when policing practices vary depending on the neighborhood. For instance, my wife worked in an affluent white district, its called the Gold Coast in downtown Chicago. Those rich nuts killed each other daily. From beating to drowning their wives. She was told that she COULD NOT police on the northside the way she does on the southside. She could NOT report a homicide as a homicide, it has to be a "death investigation". A reported death investigation in does not impact your property value the way a homicide does. This is where systematic racism rears its ugly head. Reported homicides lower your property value significantly, in turn removing valuable resources from the community. White people are evil geniuses. Police will not hesitate to report a murder/homicide on the south and westside of Chicago or any black neighborhood for that matter. They want us to remain poor and criminalized. This is so much deeper than what these numbers represent..we don't need a.gov site to tell us how evil and more violent the european is. Look at what he did to the indigenous population of the US.

  113. Paul Cooley says:

    Why are you on a site called AtlBLACKstar? why must black people be subjected to the caucasians habitual stalking in real life and virtual? You people are obsessed with us. Get help

  114. This article should be pulled IMMEDIATELY. The Raw Numbers discussion is a complete misunderstanding of stats, making a connection the number of incidents simply because of relative population percentages. Can't believe editors let this be published.

  115. Simon Si The FBI lumps Hispanics in with whites. That's why the white arrest is higher. If you look closely that don't have a Hispanic category because put Hispanic in the white. So in reality the white crime rate is far lower.

  116. Simon Si There are an estimated 1.5 million Black men in prison and another 3.5 million on probation. Black males make up more than 70 percent of the total prison population, even though they make up only 6 percent of the U.S. population. Although blacks are 12% of the population in reality it is just 2% of the blacks that commit 50% of the murders and a greater percentage of other crimes. Consider: black females – 6%. Blacks from zero yrs. to 12 yrs. and black males from 50-100 years commit an infinitesimal percentage of the crimes. Therefore we are left with two percent. If we eliminate crimes committed by this two percent from the U.S. statistics our country compares very favorably with all Western countries. Fact — blacks kill 7times more than whites kill. Fact — blacks kill whites 20 times more than whites killblacks.

    Fact — blacks mug or commit group crime against whites 50 times more than whites commit against blacks. Fact — blacks rape white women 2000(yes 2000) times more than whites rape black women. In New York City, about 300 white women are raped by blacks every year BUT there has not been a black woman raped by a white male in anybody memory (going back over 20 yrs.) Consider: Al Sharpton had to go upstate New York to find a hoax and that was almost 20 years ago. (Source NYT 4/22/05).

  117. There are an estimated 1.5 million Black men in prison and another 3.5 million on probation. Black males make up more than 70 percent of the total prison population, even though they make up only 6 percent of the U.S. population. Although blacks are 12% of the population in reality it is just 2% of the blacks that commit 50% of the murders and a greater percentage of other crimes. Consider: black females – 6%. Blacks from zero yrs. to 12 yrs. and black males from 50-100 years commit an infinitesimal percentage of the crimes. Therefore we are left with two percent. If we eliminate crimes committed by this two percent from the U.S. statistics our country compares very favorably with all Western countries. Fact — blacks kill 7times more than whites kill. Fact — blacks kill whites 20 times more than whites killblacks.

    Fact — blacks mug or commit group crime against whites 50 times more than whites commit against blacks. Fact — blacks rape white women 2000(yes 2000) times more than whites rape black women. In New York City, about 300 white women are raped by blacks every year BUT there has not been a black woman raped by a white male in anybody memory (going back over 20 yrs.) Consider: Al Sharpton had to go upstate New York to find a hoax and that was almost 20 years ago. (Source NYT 4/22/05).

  118. Simon Si According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics 2013 report blacks commit 54 percent of the homicides in America even though they constitute only 13 percent of the population. An individual black male is seven times more likely to commit murder than an individual white male. It so happens that black felons commit 43 percent of aggravated assaults, 66 percent of armed robberies, 27 percent of rapes and 85 percent of interracial crimes of violence, mainly against whites(this last figure from a Justice Department report 2003). However, it’s not just in the United States. The greatest dicators in recent years have emerged in Africa. People like Idi Amin of Uganda, Hastings Kamuzu Bandain Malawi, Mobutu Sese Seko, in Zaire, self-anointed Emperor Bokassa of the Central African Republic, Mohammed Saidi Barre in Somalia, Sani Abacha of Nigeria, Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe –the list is endless.

  119. Lars Ekstrom says:

    Simon Si the general trend in statistics in the US is that pretty much everything bad is mostly white but disproportionately black. Crime, poverty, single mothers, welfare recipients, even mass shootings. I think I read that even 59% of crack cocaine users in the 80s/90s were white.

  120. Steve Marx says:

    Simon Si That's because the population of minorities falls to almost zero.

  121. Kent Perry says:

    Simon Si Still doesn't explain why this article uses photos from another country and purports to be the white violence in America. Just admit it Simon Si, it's BULLSHIT.

  122. Kent Perry says:

    Brandon Shorter Quote:"That is completely illogical. Not even sure how people disguise this nonsense the US was founded on a Genocide committed by White people Killing native indian".

    What are you suggesting Brandon? There isn't a white person I know of that has killed any indians and there are no indians living today that say the white man is trying to kill them. There is nothing anyone can do about what happened a century ago so what the hell is your point?

  123. Kent Perry says:

    Simon Si I guess you think if you keep repeating the same lie, people will believe it.

  124. Nicole A-me says:

    Kent Perry, I disagree. The white Americans are still working to kill the Indians. The Native Americans are fighting without media coverage. There are a few blogs that speak about their struggle. They have the government taking their kids and their land and their culture. America has made Native American's federal property and we all close our eyes to humans who have been killed and kidnapped and interned. If we black people don't look at how government 'helped' Native Americans by giving them their own land and proceeding to usher them to extinction, we will end up the same way because this government has given them reservations and us projects with the goal of extinction.

  125. Jerry Waddle says:

    This whole thread and all of the comments just prove that racism is alive and well in America. Way to go guys. Hate, bigotry, homophobia and racism are our real American family values.

  126. Lynn DeBeal says:

    Simon Si Native crimes are way under reported also.

  127. Lynn DeBeal says:

    no funnier than FAUX NEWS, co-owned by a Saudi Prince, writing about 9/11. Or the american media calling elvis presly "the king of rock n roll".

  128. Lynn DeBeal says:

    Simon Si My Mother, born 1919, used to say that in order for the white racist s to make sure he kept his foot on the neck of Black (Brown, Red) people, he had to stay right there, in the same place to make sure we didn't move. Which meant HE didn't move forward either. Didn't go anywhere, didn't evolve, didn't grown – hence became "retarded".

    Also, when you stay in one place all the time, where do you go to relieve yourself? You can #1 $hit your pants. #2 $hit where you live. or #3 not $hit at all, and get all backed up – eventually becoming all full of $hit.

  129. Lynn DeBeal says:

    It also depends on the KIND of the crime. Other studies have shown that while robbery may occur more often in the Black community, rape and murder is higher in the white community. "What's even more troubling is that they are also responsible for a vast majority of violent crimes. In 2013, whites led all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. "

  130. Most recent FBI stats for homicide are from 2013, not 2011. Nice research there, dingleberry. Forgive me for losing interest in your misleading article.

  131. FOX news is white propaganda.

  132. John Vorel says:

    Loren M. Jones Racism starts and ends with stereotypes – meaning you are both that. And why should I get off this site? You got nothing to hide right? Nothing to be ashamed of right?

  133. Total misrepresentation of data, of course whites commit more crime, they are 64% og the population. Black's are 13%, and commit over 45% of the crime,meaning black criminal activity is overrepresented according to population
    Terrible article with an obvious agenda.

  134. While working in the Stanford University's immediate area, the students would routinely complain about serious crime patterns not published and they routinely where directed to campus police or the dean. So many other crimes go unpunished it's a joke when admission in hindsight. I am more then certain this non-reportings does on elsewhere. Keeping the statistic numbers even more artificially lower.

  135. Took the Dixon Racial Healing challenge on Youtube. At this exact moment I'm arguing with a jackass trying to paint black people as the main cause of crime. Thanks for helping me prove hes a bigoted jackass. Will be using this to further the argument.

  136. what do you expect for african liberal's, they are the most naïve and gullible of all race's.

  137. John Vorel and john fits the perfect racist stereotype.

  138. Jason Lockwood jason huh whites have literally bought into every lie put on America about America.

  139. this article is retarded. the numbers that show an accurate depiction of crime trends would be the rate of a given crime PROPORTIONAL to the total population of a given racial demographic… of course whites lead 2 to 1 in arrests, violent crime, etc. because there are simply a lot more white people living in America than black people. if you look at the statistics with respect to population size, black people commit all of these offenses at a higher rate than white people.

  140. Simon Si you're the one that doesn't get it. the reason there are more white crimes in total is because there are significantly more white people living in the U.S…. if you look at these numbers with respect to population size per racial demographic, blacks commit crime (well, at least the crimes discussed in this article) at a higher rate than whites. they don't commit more crime OVERALL simply because there are alot less black people living in America. If the population size of whites and blacks were equal, the total number of crimes committed by black people would be more than that of whites… if you've taken 6th grade algebra, its a pretty easy proportion algorithm to figure out.

  141. Kent Perry… youre argument that the article is bullshit because it uses photos from another country is beyond stupid… don't get me wrong, I agree with you the article is bullshit because of the inherent bias in the way the information is presented. but really, the fact that the pictures are not taken in America has no bearing on the validity of the article. please grow a brain or stop talking, you're just making yourself look bad and, in turn, making Simon appear correct.

  142. Paul Cooley bro, self centered and narcissistic much? he is not obsessed with you or black people. he is probably, like myself, here because he is upset with the writer of this piss poor article and its misrepresentation of statistical data.

  143. Simon Si, you are spot on!

  144. Simon Si I never heard of a white carjacker Have you?

  145. Major Alston says:

    Where I live in Florida I have not seen or read of any Drive Shootings in White neighborhoods. But in Tampa there have been 5 drive by killings that have taken young black boys lives within the past 2 weeks. Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Atlanta, Miami, St Louis and many other cities have so much black on black killing that who cares what whites are doing. We got a damn problem in our community that only we can fix.

  146. Because young black men commit most of the crimes.

  147. Because it doesn't agree with your false reality?

  148. I think that it just shows that more blacks are criminal than whites.

  149. Simon Si you really display the retarded thing. I understand that you hate white people. It is ok. I will put in a word for you with our black president. Idiot.

  150. You are really stupid.

  151. Dallas Franks hmm maybe so…but I guess that would be for now and of course depends on what "crime" is. unfortunately the "crimes" against blacks were and still are covered by law. So up until 1955 in Oklahoma killing blacks was ok, or discrimination against blacks up until 1977 with the fair lending law enacted, or the affirmative action laws coming later. Maybe we should look at how there was no right to vote, no free land given to us during the 1862 homestead act. and of course your privileged ignorant self will say well that was then, it is different now…as if money doesn't transfer down generations, as if generational events have long term results stemming far beyond a decade or so. No rights to vote, no rights to proper education, no fairness in land or housing or employment. Even up to this day and then you have the ignorance to say hmm more blacks commit crime but never think hmm why? Are these blacks from upper class or middle class neighborhoods? Are these educated college graduates? Then you have to wonder why it was so important to keep blacks from learning, from owning land, from voting, from obtaining loans, and so forth..those are the tools that abolish poverty. You've got quite a mess on your hands. So yes we do commit more "crime" but I might be interesting to look as to why and how it got there instead of attributing something to a race as if crime is somehow in our DNA. If that both non-scientific or intelligent idea helps you sleep better well then so be it, but the truth is ugly and the only way to beautify is to face it and begin changing it.

  152. Rosie May says:

    Simon Si African americans only make up 13% of the population in america so it make sense they only make up 13 % of the perpetrators. Equally blacks and whites commit the same amount go crimes but since 77% of the population is white, it would make sense that whites make up 77% of the crime. WHITE AND BLACKS ARE THE SAME! We are all equal. You can't deny that the color of your skin really means nothing when it comes to who you really are, If you think that way then you need to reevaluate yourself and how you think.

  153. Joey Carter says:

    Wow. Talk about twisting statistics to support a racist agenda. For example, this racist writer above says "…a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians." What he doesn't say is that a staggering 93% of black murder victims were killed by fellow African Americans. According to Federal stats, 27% of ALL murders were committed by young black men; 16% of ALL murders were committed by young white men. Here's the kicker that the racist writer above doesn't mention: blacks only account for 14% of the population, while whites account for 67%. So while the numbers are sometimes higher for whites, the percentage rate is truly staggering — and tragic — for blacks. Blame whitey all you want, but you won't solve the violence that way. We want to stop the prejudice & violence; don't you? If so, be honest. The truth will set you free.

  154. Joseph Bruno says:

    Jason Lockwood WMD's? mission accomplished? deficits don't matter?

  155. Funny how the FBI stats are not listed. Also I would like to [point out, the cover photo are of English hooligans~ Nice try, would you like me to post the real stats for you simpletons in Hotlanta?

  156. Simon Si There are less than 30 million people living in nometropolitan counties and you haven't told us what percentage of that population is black.

    Is it 13 percent or 3 percent?

    You are excluding 90% of the population when you cite those statistics.

  157. Katie Hutton says:

    Such alot of commenting going on…

  158. Bullshit: "Williams wrote: “The term ‘black-on-black’ crime is a destructive, racialized colloquialism that perpetuates an idea that blacks are somehow more prone to violence. This is untrue and fully verifiable by FBI, DOJ and census data."

    Fully verifiable eh? Well let's just pull up the FBI's interracial homicide stats from 2013 shall we?

    Whites killed by other whites: 2,509
    Whites killed by blacks: 409
    Blacks killed by other blacks: 2,245
    Blacks killed by whites: 189

    Now of course to a very stupid person they would think, "See? Blacks don't murder more often than whites after all!" Which is not true in the slightest. For some reason (you're all morons) nobody ever takes per capita into account. That's especially stupid considering the above quote where he says that blacks aren't more prone to violence. Well how the hell would you know that if you're not taking per capita into account?

    White people make up roughly %63 of the US population whereas blacks make up about %12. So right off the bat taking that into consideration I can already tell that these statistics aren't looking so good for black people. Let's make it more clear though. Let's bump up the population of black America to %60 (5 times the present population) and see where the statistics end up.

    Blacks killed by other blacks per %60 black population: 11,225
    Whites killed by blacks per %60 black population: 2,045

    Wow. Just using some simple math you can find out that the blacks in 2013 murdered whites at over TEN TIMES the rate that whites murdered blacks. It wasn't even really necessary for me to explain anything other than what the raw stats are, and what the race population of America is to make my point. I mean black people killing roughly 250 more whites than whites killed blacks when there's roughly %50 less of them?? Whoever that guy is who I quoted up top is, he's a fucking idiot of the highest order. These statistics very CLEARLY and PAINFULLY show how much more prone to violence black Americans are than white Americans.

    Also I just looked up the 2011 FBI interracial homicide statistics and it's more of the same pretty much. All one needs to do is take on look at it to see that it's pretty identical to 2013's statistics. Blacks actually killed more whites that year than they did in 2013.

  159. Malik Bastien YOU ARE SO RIGHT… NO ONE CARES IF BLACKS KEEP KILLING OFF OTHER BLACKS.. WHITES WANT IT STOPPED BUT THE LIBERALS USE IT..

  160. You failed to mention who is arrested "per capita" for violent crimes. You are taking one rate, such as murder, and using it as the subject to characterize all people of color. Further, you are not mentioning how white people make up more arrests for violent crimes per capita than any race. Or who is more likely than any race to be arrested for drug use or even who is more likely to sale drugs. Let's not sit here and paint an unfair picture when reality shows that white people make up most arrests of any race. Your post lacks credability when you started trying to convey unaccurate portral. You can continue to pass along untrue and unfounded information.

  161. Joshua Williams Homicide isn't a violent crime? Go look up the stats for yourself. I've already confirmed that blacks murder and rape at much higher rates than whites. White people absolutely do not make up more arrests per capita than any other race. You're pulling that out of your ass. Go look up the FBI statistics on violent crime by race, and do a little math to factor in per capita. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

    Go there and then tell me that whites commit more violent crime per capita. I have no idea how a person could actually do the research and still say that white people commit more violent crime per capita. And you know the funny (but not really funny) thing is? That despite all of the white men committing mass murder, black men still murder way more often than whites do. Also I'm not trying to say anything about black people as a whole, douche bag. I'm just stating facts here. If you'd like to somehow provide statistics that contradict the FBI statistics (good luck) then I'd love to see that.

    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

    This FBI statistics table covers all violent crime in general since you want to say I'm not including all violent crime. The trends are the exact fucking same. Blacks commit crime at way higher rates across the board. Just do some simple math. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

    So there's both the FBI AND the DOJ confirming that blacks commit much much more violent crime than whites or hispanics do. Your move.

    Oh and I don't give a shit about drugs. All drugs should be legal and the drug war should be ended. Again blacks most likely sell and do drugs at higher rates than white people do, but I don't care to look it up because the drug war is bullshit anyway. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH DUMBSHIT. Stop talking out of your ass.

  162. James McRight What a well thought out and worthwhile rebuttal.

  163. Enough bullshit there to create global warming.

  164. Eric Bell says:

    You're right about the rates, but still, you're not disagreeing that there are simply more white killers. So why don't we HEAR about more white killers from the media? Why more focus from the media on smaller number of black killers? Then ask yourself why so much focus on the mass shooting done by the 2 Muslims recently. Why so much attention there when whites are the predominant mass-shooters everywhere else?

  165. Eric Bell I'm calling bullshit on that. These white mass murderers are the very people pushing politicians to reform gun control. Their impact is being felt pretty strongly and a lot of attention has been called to it already. Well no shit I'm not disagreeing there are more white killers hahaha there's more than five times more white people in this country what would you expect to see? I hardly see it as a problem worth talking about when the majority (by far) race in your country commits the majority of violent crime. Also watch which words you use because "whites are the predominant mass-shooters" is a bullshit statement to make because that has everything to do with rates. Like I just got done explaining, whites are the majority so don't act so shocked that whites account for the most murders in total. That's the way that you should expect it to be.

    Also why so much focus on Muslims shooting up people? Well maybe it's because of groups like ISIS who actually want to attack the USA, and ISIS members are Muslims. Context my friend. These white mass murderers don't have motives that are clear. They're just random nut cases that lose control. I'm not sure what we're supposed to do about that. It's pretty hard to prevent insanity, and the success of treatment varies. Stricter gun control laws, and better psychiatric care is what I recommend for the white mass murder problem.

  166. Louis Cosme says:

    Clever use of numbers can be manipulated to show just about any conclusion one wants. None of these statistics account for the inherent systemic biases built into not only the criminal justice system, but most social institutions that some folk pretend do not exist, i.e. inequities in housing, education; and of course treatment in the justice system that goes from being more likely to be targeted, arrested, prosecuted, all the way up to being sentenced more harshly.

  167. So, when the numbers are against your interest, you adjust the equation, change the whole formula, add numbers that aren't there or realistic, and then you rationalize based on your false numbers . . . . Brilliant!!! Per capita? No sir, use the actual numbers . . . come to an actual conclusion and then argue from that standpoint – not from the false world you created in your head.

  168. here's a chart for you . . . let me see you twist this one up . . .the fact is, one-for-one, Black people DO NOT commit more crimes than Whites in America . . . per capita it up all you want, place the statistics in your own little fairytale land and you can make any number fit your fantasy . . .

    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

  169. Jest Oneart Esq I'm not manipulating the data. You have to put certain things into context. I thought I explained this in my original post but I'll try again. The question is whether or not blacks are more likely to commit crimes than White people in America. The question isn't about what race accounts for the most crime in America because the race populations are very unbalanced. White people should be expected to commit the most crime in America because whites are the racial majority by far. If blacks committed a proportional amount of crime to their population then they'd be committing about %12 of America's crime. We don't see that though. Blacks are committing almost as much crime as white people are when there's five times more white people than black people. You don't see a problem with that? America has a very high crime rate and a lot of that has to do with a small group of people committing a ridiculous amount of crime. Not that whites don't commit a lot of crime but if you want to compare the two then it's not even close.

  170. "Curtis Bunn is (sic) national award-winning sports journalist" Stick to sports you fucking hack. You're no journalist.

    Journalistic integrity is dead. This dipshit wins awards for his "journalism" when he does no real investigation of what he's writing about. What kind of real journalist could come to this idiotic conclusion if they actually did unbiased research? One look at the FBI stats is all you fucking need to know this is all horse shit. Keep giving this lazy biased piece of shit awards while real journalists go unnoticed because they don't pander to their audience, and say completely unfounded shit.

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