A senior scientist for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claims the federal agency has been hiding results from a test of experimental measles vaccines that increased the likelihood of Black children getting autism, according to reports.
There has been a lot of controversy surrounding MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccinations and whether or not they are linked to autism.
While the CDC assured the public that there was nothing to worry about with the vaccination, senior scientist Dr. William Thompson claims the CDC has been lying for years, according to The Examiner.
Dr. Brian Hooker was doing research for the Focus Autism Foundation and requested some information via the Freedom of Information Act about a 2004 study that claimed MMR vaccinations were perfectly safe.
According to Thompson, those results were false.
The Examiner reported that Thompson, who has been with the CDC for more than a decade, admitted to Hooker that he and several other authors behind the study manipulated and hid data that proved Black babies were more than three times more likely to develop regressive autism if they were given the vaccine before the age of 3.
For more than 10 years, parents of Black children may have been uninformed and unaware that giving their baby the vaccine could drastically increase the likelihood that they could develop autism. According to Age of Autism, “That one lie is responsible for at least 250,000 cases of autism in African-American male children and that number is a gross underestimate of the true extent of the damage.”
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Thompson’s statements come after Congress already has started to suspect something was awry with the CDC’s investigation.
U.S. Congressman Bill Posey of Florida requested information from the CDC regarding the study in the past, but the agency refused to hand anything over.
Posey released a public statement saying, “The CDC can’t be trusted regarding investigating vaccine safety.”
He even went on to say that the “CDC should be investigated.”
Posey was absolutely right, according to Age of Autism.
The website, which is dedicated to sharing information about autism, reported that about 20 years prior to the controversial study being published, the CDC tested deadly, experimental measles vaccines on African infants before launching another round of tests on inner-city babies in low-income neighborhoods in the U.S.
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All parents, especially African American parents, struggling with the decision to vaccinate or not, should watch this short video.
Senior government scientist breaks 13 years of silence on CDC's vaccine-autism fraud
http://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8
In a stunning revelation, CDC whistleblower William Thompson admitted that health officials omitted research findings on the MMR vaccine that showed a 340 percent higher incidence of autism among Black children. Hiding these results meant that Black children were at risk for developing autism. Meanwhile officials have not deviated from their claim that there is no link between vaccines and autism.
There needs to be a Congressional hearing to make all this public. We need to tell our representatives that they have to act to protect all vulnerable children from vaccine injury.
Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism
Thank you for publishing this very important information regarding the health of children.
Thank you for publishing! We muust NEVER let this happen again!
WOW, WOW, WOW, they can't try to cover it up anymore, they are trying with the twisting and turning of words previously documented as safe and effective, while at the same time many of those children injured by vaccines with autism and other struggles can't even say a word due to the lies stated as fact. They know that they lied, now even damage control will not work.
The fact that the U.S. Dept of Health and Human Resources administers the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund is proof positive that vaccines are dangerous, and the government knows it! http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
Thank you for this informative piece. CDC transparency and accountability are mandated. A Congressional hearing is a MUST. There are so many children suffering from autism as the result of vaccine injury! We must protect our children!
Finally! thank you for reporting this! =D
The Age of Autism blog has a very clear agenda:
"With less than a half-dozen full-time activists, annual budgets of six figures or less, and umpteen thousand courageous, undaunted, and selfless volunteer parents, our community, held together with duct tape and bailing wire, is in the early to middle stages of bringing the U.S. vaccine program to its knees."
By Age of Autism founder JB Handley, 2010
http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/tinderbox-us-vaccine-fears-up-700-in-7-years.html
On the other hand, Mr. Thompson has also been very clear, stating
"I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."
It's extremely sad to see this information presented so inaccurately. Dr. Thompson disagrees with this co-authors on the question of inclusion of a specific result, a result that was almost certainly spurious. There's nothing supporting a link between vaccines and autism in any grow. Dr. Thompson did not say the paper was wrong. He did not accuse the CDC of lying.
Here is a useful set of FAQ that can help parents understand these claims better: http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2014/09/mmr-cdc-and-brian-hooker-media-guide.html
Andrew Wakefield's problematic, over the top video is not a good source of information. There's no evidence of any link between MMR and autism – in any group. This is a disservice to children and to the autism community. See: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2014/08/26/autism-atlanta-mmr-serious-questions-and-also-how-brian-hooker-and-andrew-wakefield-are-causing-damage-to-the-autism-communties/
There is a great deal wrong with the article above. The only public statement by Mr. Thompson can be found here: http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
He doesn't say that results were false, he doesn't say that the data proved black babies were more likely to get autism.
Also, his work was not on an experimental vaccine.
This story is very flawed and is very irresponsible
the fact that you can rely on such an ugly, race-baiting video to promote your agenda says a great deal about how low your standards are.
I appreciated your own work on that, LBRB. http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2014/09/01/if-this-is-what-keeps-a-cdc-researcher-up-at-night-how-would-they-ever-keep-a-huge-conspiracy-going/
This is a very poorly-researched article. "hiding results from a test of experimental measles vaccines " — 100% wrong. The original study was called "Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan Atlanta." The vaccine being studied (MMR) has been licensed 1971. Nothing experimental there.
For those who can read and use their own brains, whistleblower's comments are VERY clear and easy to understand !! His statement is writter in very clear English, so No need for interpreters, thank you
More on the poor research by the author of this article.
"several other authors behind the study manipulated and hid data that proved Black babies " — The author clearly didn't recognize Dr. Marshalyn Yeargin-Allsopp, one of the authors of the 2004 study. Dr. Yeargin-Allsopp was the first Black student to graduate from Sweet Briar College in 1968. She went on to earn her M.D. from Emory University in 1972 — the first Black woman to earn an MD.
Dr. Yeargin-Allsop is now a senior researcher at CDC and chief of the CDC's Developmental Disabilities branch. She has an impressive research and publication record.
It is hard to believe that a senior Black researcher in developmental disabilities would work to "hide" autism risk factors in the Black community.
For those who can read and use their own brains, whistleblower's comments are VERY clear and easy to understand !! His statement is written in very clear English, so No need for interpreters, thank you for your effort anyway! "The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed." Dr Thompson, CDC whistleblower
"The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed."
Dr Thompson, CDC whistleblower
(but some people still choose not to #hearthiswell …)
His statement is VERY clear indeed:
"The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed."
Dr Thompson, #CDCwhistleblower
(some people still choose not to #hearthiswell …)
I agree, TA. His comments are very clear: "I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."
I was going to say the same thing. What's experimental about the MMR?
Black children? Only the males. He was quite, quite clear about that. Your extrapolation amounts to fraud itself.
For those who can read, the paragraph the immediately follows the one quoted above: "I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."
Treating Autism "For those who can read and use their own brains" For someone claiming to be involved in the disability community, use of "use their own brains" as a derogatory comment is inappropriate. It is inappropriate in general, but those of us in the disability community should know better and hold a higher standard.
He says that those data–a preliminary result using the least sophisticated analysis in the sutdy–"suggested". Not proved. No where near proved.
If he felt that the calculated value were proof of a real causal relationship, would he have written
""I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits.""
As the parent of a mixed-race autistic child I have taken this topic extremely seriously. I have "used my own brain". At this point what I see is very little information from Mr. Thompson and a lot of spin from Andrew Wakefield and his team.
Let's remind ourselves, shall we, of Mr. Wakefield? He was called out by Time Magazine as the top in their great science frauds.
Mr. Wakefield and his team illegally recorded Mr. Thompson. We have no evidence that Mr. Thompson wished to be a "whistleblower". Rather the evidence points to him wishing to get this one preliminary result into the public domain in secret.
So, we have the spin on this story by a fraud who betrays those who trust him. Also a man who produces an ugly race-baiting video that claims that CDC researchers are conducting some sort of new Tuskegee experiment and are worse that Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot? One of these CDC researchers being a civil rights pioneer.
So, forgive me if I do make use of my brain. After years of watching Andrew Wakefield cause havoc in my community, I don't give him the benefit of the doubt. After watching his unethical nature come to the fore in the way he handled this story, I see no reason to start giving him the benefit of the doubt.
You have, multiple times, said black babies, black children etc. Why are you misrepresenting what Thompson said, and what Hooker found? Thompson's concern was related to "African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months" ONLY. The data showed no such issues for black females, nor males or females of any other race. Of course, the sample size was pretty small, and subsequent studies have shown the suggested link likely to be a statistical anomaly rather than something of genuine concern. Not sure how you justify ignoring the decade of data since collected.
All parents, watch the video. It confirms that the MMR doesn't cause autism in all groups except African American males who received the vaccine before age 3. Be reassured.
Of course, if you don't think that's right, and vaccines cause autism, then you'll have to ignore the whole kerfuffle, because it inconveniently fails to support you on that.
Madeleine Ware I also agree his comments are clear. He disagreed with co-authors about whether to include a result that was almost certainly spurious. He still disagrees. He pointed out that reasonable scientists can differ – and that's what this was: a professional disagreement. See: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2014/09/01/if-this-is-what-keeps-a-cdc-researcher-up-at-night-how-would-they-ever-keep-a-huge-conspiracy-going/
As to MMR and autism: There's no evidence of such a link. For anyone.
Statement very clear. He disagreed with decision to omit data.
Even though the further analysis showed this result was spurious.
A professional disagreement. He was probably wrong. http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2014/09/01/if-this-is-what-keeps-a-cdc-researcher-up-at-night-how-would-they-ever-keep-a-huge-conspiracy-going/
Yes! Protect them from diseases by vaccinating, as Thompson himself recommended.
Yes, "suggested" only. Data collected since has shown that to not be of concern. The original study itself presented a possible explanation for the apparent link.
One of the most respected African-American scientists was on the paper where the original cover-up supposedly occurred. Are you accusing her of covering up a link between vaccines and autism in her own race. Shameful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshalyn_Yeargin-Allsopp
It's possibly worth seeking her out for comment.
Madeleine Ware Are you implying that black male children are less important than while males? What kind of a horrible person would believe such a thing?
Melissa Schneider that was clearly not what she said. If you are going to resort to this sort of cheap attack, you must not have something substantive to say.
What kind of horrible person attacks others in the manner you just tried?
Wow, the pro vaccine racists are ripe for the picking on this comment thread. First of all, anyone who believes that vaccines are safe, after what Thompson said, is certifiably in denial of the truth. If he made a comment about vaccines in his statement, most likely it was because he still works with the CDC??? However, black boys under the age of 36 months were willfully injected with MMR causing them VACCINE INDUCED AUTISM!!! You cannot ignore that fact. You can't act like it never happened! It happened. Tuskeegee happened. The mass sterilization of young women in Puerto Rico happened. Stop acting like CDC is a sacred church. It is nothing but a cesspool of greedy apathetic members of the "scientific" community. Anyone who is on this thread defending CDC and vaccines from here on in will be seen as racist and evil that they do not care what happened to these black boys. Yes, others were hurt, but CDC KNEW that black boys were more predisposed to developing Autism when given the shot earlier and they did nothing to stop this insanity and it took place over 13 years! Just sickening and to read people justify this cow excrement of a federal govt. agency is preposterous.
Thank you Atlanta Black Star for printing the truth and for demonstrating integrity toward your community. Also, thank you for understanding that children's lives matter–all children matter and no one has the right to serve as judge and decide who is more important in society or worth more. Gracias!
Another study that directly correlates vaccines manufactured with human fetal cell lines and autism. Vaccines do cause autism! http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/C98151247042
No, Melissa. I see you're as bad at interpreting written words as Age of Autism has been at interpreting the significance of Hooker's study/Thompson's press release. Well, not even interpreting – they seem to fail to even repeat what either said with any accuracy.
I'm pointing out that the widespread trumpeting of this story as some sort of vindication of all parents everywhere is nothing of the sort. In fact, it _clears_ the MMR of being responsible for autism in all but this one group*. That many white (see: this thread) parents are using it otherwise confirms they really don't care what the data says at all, so maybe they should stop pretending they do.
*Of course, subsequent studies have cleared the MMR altogether.
Autism is generally underidentified in the African American population. This is one of the reasons why the vaccine-epidemic idea has never made sense. Autism rates vary dramatically by race/ethnicity and by geography. This tells us that a single exposure–like vaccines–is not driving the increase.
The groups promoting the idea that autism is behind an autism epidemic have refused to help in advocating for better identification and services for under-represented groups. To do so would be to admit a major flaw in their ideology.
So rather than let the flaws in their arguments be known, they have let disabled children and adults go without accurate diagnoses and appropriate services.
One could search Ms. Dachel's blog and the Age of Autism blog and note the lack of calls for better identification, better services.
One could then read my blog and look to my public statements and see that better identification and services for the under-represented autistics has been deeply important to me.
LbrbSullivan MattCarey You are wrong and if you continue down this line, there is no telling what other questionable comments are liable to slip from your key pad. I think you should protect your reputation and stop defending the indefensible.
Madeleine Ware Here's how the Age of Autism considered race 4 years ago
"Two years ago, it was unknown whether African American or Hispanic children had lower rates of autism than white children. Now there’s evidence—for what it’s worth— that certain groups are less affected. "
African Americans have been under diagnosed and diagnosed later for a long time. The Age of Autism blog chose to interpret this as "they get fewer vaccines and there's less autism".
They have refused to advocate for better recognition, better services. They left
"During such discussions, some people wandered into racially dicey conjectures that African Americans were “less likely to seek early diagnoses” than whites for economic and cultural reasons and that this could explain a gap: the implication being the rates of autism among minorities were identical to whites’ but there was just “decreased recognition”. "
African Americans are diagnosed later but because this doesn't fit their vaccine model, AoA calls this "dicey". They put "decreased recognition" in scare quotes.
For years this organization has ignored the needs of minorities–the need for better identification.
But now they are trying to frame themselves as the best friend of the African American disability community? It's beyond ironic.
Dorit Reiss you are not a good source of information, Congressman Posey has over 100,000 papers on the vaccine autism link, and you're still pushing drug company propaganda, and you talk about a disservice to the children and autism community of America.
Treating Autism thank you so much for that common sense comment among many that lack it.
Oh, have you read them all already? Last I knew he had a lot of documents (not papers, which, in science, refers to studies), speculation was they might number 100 000, and they hadn't read them all yet. But you know, accuracy schmaccuracy.
Whoa, and the racists are still hissing like slimy snakes. They are wrong and know it and will make any attempt to salvage their image, and only dig their heels deeper in the cow excrement. SMH, it is pathetic. #CDCwhistleblower: CDC hid "statistically significant data". He expresses shame for what he did, "I can't believe we did this. When I meet the parents of Autistic children…." So, are we to believe he is ashamed and sorry because no children got hurt in all of this? My God these racists sure love to drink the CDC Kool Aid.
Melissa Schneider It sounds like you are saying if I continue to disagree with you, you will attack my reputation.
Your response to Madeleine Ware was an attack framed as a question.
Here is part of what I said at the first IACC meeting I attended
"And it is hard to single out any aspect that I think would be more important than others. But I think one aspect that struck me very early on, when I started
looking at autism research, when my child was first diagnosed, was the concept of underdiagnosed and underserved populations.
It bothers me a great deal to see that we may not be identifying and serving racial and
ethnic minorities and people with lower socioeconomic backgrounds. I am very glad to
see that that has been a big focus of both the IACC and I think, also, the research community in general. At IMFAR, you can see that as a major focus."
Some in the audience, from the group that promotes the idea that vaccines cause autism, actually hissed during my discussion of under represented and under-served populations.
I have always been focused on fact that minorities are under diagnosed and under served. As such I have watched the vaccines-cause-autism groups closely and noticed that they have offered no support to this cause.
"I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed."
First the data was not omitted from the study. It's in the study and anyone can access it. It was omitted from the mathematical analysis for very good reasons. The authors of the study chose to not use data from children who did not have birth certificates. Birth certificates have data on birth weight and other factors that directly relate to the any analysis of a developmental disorder. Using the data from children with BC's helps eliminate confounding factors that skew the analysis. I tell you to google it but your skills are lacking so here you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confounding.
This disagreement over the study parameters is not a cover up, nor has it anything to do with CDC actions. It is a legitimate debate between authors as to methodology, and it occurs all of the time. The 240% increase in AA males is interesting, but is lacking a specific rational biological mechanism as to why race and gender would make a difference. Nor is it reflected in the actual stats on autism by race and gender where white males are 30% more likely to be diagnosed with autism than black males. This study result has also not been replicated in any other of the hundreds of studies showing that autism and MMR are not linked.
He also said in the same letter…….."I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."
Vaccines, for the most part, are safe, and the chances of getting sick from the disease are far greater than getting sick from the vaccine. The thing is….scientist hadn't quite figured out why black children were more likely to develop autism when receiving the MMR at that age, so they just kind of brushed it under the rug. What they finally came up with was children who had been autistic all along were getting ready for pre-school. You all know you don't enter school without your shots all caught up.They believed that to be true, so they found a way to change the numbers so as not to cause undo panic. But Dr. Thomson of the CDC thought that was kind of shady…so his guilty conscious caused him to become a whisteblower. I'm just saying…
What you have here is the skeptics and the woo believers having a fight at each others expense. They both see themselves as saviors of the world.
It never happened in the first place.
Vito Alexander Pavlovic Funny Rep Posey's office said 1,000. Have you and your buddies been playing telephone to inflate the numbers?
Nope. and and silly internet meme is not going to help you. If you could actually hear you would have accepted the overwhelming evidence that vaccines do not cause autism.
I love you Dr. Bark!!! Your advocacy for the African-American community is so well known. Well before this CDC scandal broke, you were known for crusading on behalf of issues of concern to this community.
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I only trust doctors with stores. I once went to a doctor who did not try to sell me something. I will never make that mistake again.
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It acknowledges that there is a less than a million to one chance of injury. Far less *dangerous* than the diseases they protect you from.
Dorit Reiss you've been very busy lately. Hope you're getting some sleep & that you don't have carpal tunnel syndrome. And who's teaching your classes? Just curious.
Thank you for publishing this article.
Dorit Reiss Hi Dorit!
I see. You are a racist if you are scientifically literate and follow science and evidence based medicine. Versus AV'rs like yourself who just make it up as you go.
Natasha – Do you have anything to say about the article, or are you just here to harass another commenter, like a creepy stalker?
Creepy stalker, it is.
You are assuming that the conclusion that there is 240% higher risk is correct. White males are diagnosed with ASD at a 30% higher rate than black males. If this analysis is correct how do you explain such a huge discrepancy. Remember the first sign that data has been incorrectly analyzed is if it does not align with the real world.
Thompson also said this, remember: "I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."
Natasha Moen Suleiman Reiki master? Don't you have some crystals to heal?
Here's the press release by CDC Senior Scientist, William Thompson stating African American males are at increased risk of autism by MMR vaccination: http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
It is not a failure. Mumps used to be endemic. When was the last time you saw a case of mumps?
wow, race-bait much? evil has no race, just ask Kermit Gosnell
The truth? The vaccine was not 'experimental'; the data suggested a link, rather than 'proved' one; the link suggested was for African American males, not all 'Black babies' or 'Black children'. That's three mistakes right there.
I would say integrity is better demonstrated by accurate reporting on what has actually happened.
That's the sad part about this tragedy. None of you are scientifically literate because the "science"/studies you have based your views on have been falsified. All other studies that cited that MMR study in support, are worthless. So, in essence so is your pseudoscientific opinion.
Merck’s efforts to allegedly “defraud the United States through Merck’s ongoing scheme to sell the government a mumps vaccine that is mislabeled, misbranded, adulterated and falsely certified as having an efficacy rate that is significantly higher than it actually is.”
Relative to autism African Americans have been under-diagnosed, mis-diagnosed, and diagnosed later for a long time. The Age of Autism blog chose to interpret this as "they get fewer vaccines and there's less autism".
The people associated with the Age of Autism blog — including such organizations as Generation Rescue and Talk About Curing Autism (TAKA) have refused to advocate for better recognition, better services in underserved communities — Black,Asian, and others. .
Now this cadre of overlapping individuals associated with such groups – Age of Autism, TACA, the Canary Party, all dominated by white, upper-class people of privilege — are now trying to frame themselves as the best friend of the African American developmental disability community?
I smell a rat.
Oh golly – I only just saw that bit about incidence. How on earth can you mistake the concept of risk (that finding was Hooker's, by the way) with incidence? You need to make it clear that the findings apply to the study subjects only, and males only, not the population as a whole. The results weren't hidden – they were processed in a way to try to eliminate potentially confounding variables. The effect disappeared, strongly indicating the confounding variables were responsible for the link, not the vaccine.
Is there, now, a '340% higher incidence of autism among Black children'? Higher than what, exactly?
Thank you for not being afraid to feport the truth
No, he stated that the data suggested that. That's all. Subsequent data has shown that suggestion to be an anomaly. You tend to get those with such small sample sizes.
Kelly M. Bray That's just because the CDC is covering up the research linking autism to MMR vaccines, hence the above article…
Citing a flawed study as support does not make a study worthless. Each study is evaluated on its own merits – the method, mostly, and the appropriateness of its data processing, both affecting the validity of the conclusion. Notably, the Hooker study this article is based on (though it barely mentions it, it was Hooker's reanalysis of the data that the 'more than three times more likely' comes from) has been pulled for doubts about the validity of the latter. If you are to be consistent, that makes THIS article worthless.
If you were scientifically literate, you'd have noticed the errors in the article rather than applauded the whole thing as the truth.
Stephanie Orosz-miller Allegedly, did you miss that part? Is your definition of failure 90% efficacy? 85%?. 80%? Since mumps is now rare in the US I'd say that your use of the word *failure* is nothing but hype?
http://www.skepdic.com/nirvanafallacy.html
Waaaaaay off topic. Not the CDC, not autism, not African American males. Please don't exploit this story as a soapbox to throw out random criticisms of vaccines in general. It dilutes people's attempts to have a genuine discussion…though that could well be your aim.
What I really don't understand is why you'd not want to report something accurately. It seems likely you're just repeating a story you've been fed by AoA, rather than genuinely have made the mistake of applying a conclusion about Black males vaccinated at a specific age to all Black children. I guess this is a good lesson in not believing everything you read, and in fact-checking stories before publishing them.
Taylor Gordon – what's your explanation?
Nate Updike The research is done by organizations from the county level, universities, in dozens of countries, all the way up to the WHO, that say there is no link. The CDC is just one part. I guess you are saying is there is a world wide conspiracy of all researchers. I guess if you are scientifically and mathematically illiterate that would be your best shot. If you had actually read the original study, and Hookers analysis, you would understand that it is not a coverup, it is a disagreement about study design. you would also understand that Hooker used the wrong kind of tools for the data set. A rookie mistake, but also a fatal one to his attempt at spin.
Stacee Akins NC So far a great deal of the AV comments are race baiting. Sorry it hurts your *feelz* to point it out.
Kelly M. Bray The Mumps component of the MMR vaccine has a very low efficacy rate 69%, which was known since the '90's
Madeline Ware, LbrbSullivan MattCarey and Dorit Reiss are all hired shills. I track them across blogs and sites. I have all three of their IP addresses.
Kelly M. Bray That is considered a failure when you are claiming that your product has an efficacy rate of 95-100%
Madeleine Ware The topic is the MMR vaccine
Stephanie Orosz-miller It not a failure since it has effectively reduced the spread of mumps to minimal levels. Every disease has a unique degree of contagiousness and mode of dissemination. The efficacy rate of a vaccine can provide proper herd immunity even at 69%. What you are saying is even though solid epidemiological evidence shows it is working, you want people to stop vaccinating. Antivaxer logic is so strange.
Stephanie Orosz-miller If everybody knows it is 69% since the 70's I guess nobody was fooled.
Benjamin Gellman Well aren't you a creepy little stalker. Do you feel inadequate because you are not educated nor literate enough to actually understand and debate the issues. It must really bother you when you cannot counter their scientific arguments, so you fall back on…"shill". Do you have any proof? Nope, just like you can't support any of your other assertions.
Chemtrails, racist, anti-semite who thinks the jews have a world wide network running the world. Gets his worldview from Natural news and Alex Jones. No wonder you are unable to debate here, only stalk.
The WHO defines the herd immunity threshold to be from 83-94%, clearly 69% efficacy does not reach that standard. Merck stated that their product was 95% effective.
Kelly M. Bray If anyone's interested in any of their personal details such as addresses send me a message on facebook.
Benjamin – do you have any comments on the article, or just menace?
Could you please forward my address to the people who supposedly pay me. They appear to have never had it. (Please let me know who they are too – 'Scientists for accurately reporting information in the news'; fingers crossed they exist!)
You would have to be in quick to read Hooker's analysis before the publisher took it offline though, for concerns about the validity of the conclusions.
Stephanie Orosz-miller And yet it is still far better than nothing and I would like to see a link to where the WHO says what the vaccination rate is needed for mumps herd immunity. In 1967 the vaccine was introduced and there were 151,000 cases. There are now less than 300 a year. I guess that is a failure and we should go back to 200,000 a year.
Stephanie Orosz-miller The publication is the Atlanta Blackstar. Who do you think the audience for this publication is? Hint: look at the cover page.
Madeleine Ware whats your point???
Madeleine Ware I think he was a little late to the party to have caught it.
I don't understand, people are thinking that everyone else should keep getting vaccines because you are sure they only lied about that one demographic. Nobody is thinking if they lied about that what else are they lying about?
If you actually knew what the story was about you would know it's not about lying. You are about six layers of antivax hype too late.
A professional disagreement is not a fraud. http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2014/09/mmr-cdc-and-brian-hooker-media-guide.html
And the evidence is that vaccines do not, in fact, cause autism. See:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full.pdf+html
There is no credible evidence supporting such a link, abundant evidence against it, and increasing evidence that autism is prenatal.
Dorit Reiss Yeah Dorit, lets go to a pharma funded site,to get the real truth about the safety of the MMR. Hey, wouldn't that be like, trusting Enron to investigate Enron?
You need to face the facts, Dorit. The Genie, is out of the corrupted bottle,and the parents are going to make sure. That, it stays out. Hearings will take place, and in time,many maybe going to go to prison. Not, for making a mistake, it will be for not telling the parents Congress and the Courts. The real, truth.
In August of 2002, a VSD meeting was held in Denver Colorado. One of the presentations, which is attached, has to do with VSD Team Website Security.
One of the, PowerPoint slides states, the following;
" Protecting Scientific Information; From FOIA the Congress and the Courts"
Dorit, just what does that mean?????? Personally, I thought if you had Science on your side,you were supposed to share it with the Congress and the Courts.In order
to win in court. One really should be wondering,if one is trying to hide their science
on the safety of their vaccines, from the Congress and the Courts. Just how safe, is
these vaccines?????
What happened, to the integrity of the NIH AAP CDC FDA ?? For this example of integrity, is what is supposed to be followed.
This Einstein Quote, is written out side at the NIH campus. If they had followed Einsteins Quote, there would not have ever been, an Autism epidemic.
The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true. – Albert Einstein
Einstein would not recognize, what the AAP and the CDC claims as science.
Madeleine Ware Are you an Idiot?????? If the MMR can cause Autism,in any groups,
it can cause Autism in all groups. The AAP and CDC, has maintained that the MMR cannot ever cause Autism. So now, you are willing to admit, to it causing autism in only AA males???????? What about, all the other kids, with the same symptoms of the Bowel disease that also have autism????? Where pray-tel did all the other bowel disease and autism come from????? You need a lesson, in common sense and Logic!
Joe Harris No, I'm not willing to admit that, as my other comments make clear, because a decade has passed since this particular study, and more data has confirmed the lack of association. The sample size on which this link was suggested in this study is very, very small. Like, Wakefield-level small (talk about fraud!). The sample size of data collected in the meantime is in the millions, collectively, and has showed there is no association. In any group.
However, if YOU are willing to accept the findings of Hooker's study as valid, then you have to accept that it, too, found no association between MMR and autism in all the other groups, and only found the association in this one.
Here's a possible explanation for both autism and bowel disease: genetics.
What about all those kids with autism, but without the bowel disease? Or with the bowel disease, but without autism? Do you even concede that someone could even have two otherwise unrelated health issues at the same time?
Madeleine Ware I believe, the garbage injected into children, in the name of the greater greed. Is the most Evil attack, that has ever been done to American children.
Pride Arrogance and Greed, has led to this, the greatest disaster in history of the US.
Treating Autism She's, an arrogant piece, of stinking garbage.
You underestimate a corrupted soul, they have no integrity, they serve a monetary god.
Joe Harris – do YOU have any replies to what Dorit said, or are you, too, only commenting to levy insults? Is there anything you take issue with in what she said, or was it too hard for you to follow?
Believe what you want, Joe; the facts won't change to suit, though. This article, and Ms Dachel, have misrepresented what Thompson said, as shown by the excerpt Treating Autism has posted several times.
I finally got around to reading the article Dorit linked. It very clearly explains how and why the data of the original study was collected the way it was, and in term (that I'd hope) anyone could understand. Very strongly recommended reading for anyone in the thread.
Joe Harris Like Joe Mercola?
Laughing* don't be sorry Kelly! Tell you what, since you love vaccines so much you can have mine 🙂 have a nice day!
Dorit Reiss Who is Dorit Reiss? Age of Autism has done a series of articles (Google at their website.). http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/04/gabriel-munroe-cornell-dorit-reiss-vaccination.html Why does this law professor spend so much of her time, and allow her name to be used in comments that lull the public into a false sense of security about the real risks of vaccines? ww.ageofautism.com/2013/12/not-paid-to-post-dorit-rubenstein-reiss-uc-hastings-college-of-law-and-kaiser-permanente.html
OK. Let's get down to brass tacks. How are you going to explain away the study saying using aborted fetus "materials" to manufacture vaccines is what is causing autism?
Madeleine Ware Are you also pro-choice?
Christina – do you have any comments on the article itself, or on Anne Dachel's comment, or are you just here to stalk and harass another commenter? You seem to be using the same comment as last December, which would tend to indicate the latter. It amounts to spamming with your own vendetta.
Nate I strongly recommend you read this explanation of the data in question. It's worth it. http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2014/09/mmr-cdc-and-brian-hooker-media-guide.html?showComment=1410345598982#c2852525571349028964
Debunked here: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/09/09/religious-fundamentalists-try-to-prove-fetal-dna-in-vaccines-causes-autism-and-fail/ and here: http://rationalcatholicblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/abortion-autism-and-immunization-the-danger-of-the-plausible-sounding-lie/.
Not all studies are equal. I urge you to critically review research before posting it. This one is very, very bad.
Debunked here: http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2012/07/1-hepatitis-b-vaccination-of-male-neonates-and-autism-diagnosis-nhis-1997-2002-2010.html
The minuscule number of cases compensated through NVICP – about 3600 cases in 25 years, with billions of vaccine doses administered at that time – is evidence of how safe vaccines are.
Dorit Reiss Wow, check out the Anti Vax Wall of Shame on Facebook, whose members include Dorit Reiss, Liz Ditz, Kelly M. Bray and others posting here trying to beef up the reputation of vaccines. Talk about hate speech–
CDC scientist admits he covered up the connection between vaccines and autism. Further he released 1000s of incriminating documents to Congress for further review. I have read some of those documents and it is very apparent that CDC researchers have created a deceptive strategy to bury the signal and sell a product to the public without proper informed consent.
http://www.autismrawdata.net
So that's a no on the relevant comments, then.
If you want to actually understand why the data was processed the way it was, read this: http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2014/09/mmr-cdc-and-brian-hooker-media-guide.html?showComment=1410345598982#c2852525571349028964
Madeleine your link is to an opinion blog and ignores the 1000s of documents that show the CDC fraud released by the whistle blower. I have read some of the documents released to the public, and currently Congress is reviewing the total stack. What can be viewed is clear fraud. It is easily understood by reading the original source material.
Madeleine Ware You look like a HAG! Does that mean you ARE one? I'm betting you got "naturally selected out" of the "reproduction pool" just based on your looks! So, if you have no children at risk, butt out! Also, there was a study released yesterday linking vaccines and autism. Not the mercury, but the fact that they are using aborted fetuses to manufacture them. Hmmm… Poison, anyone?
I am so TIRED of playing nice with you people. The vaccine autism connection hasn't gone away because it is THERE!!! People keep seeing more and more of it. Explain it away as much as you like, it IS THERE!!! So, keep right on going, until EVERY child is flapping his hands and twirling in circles and running away. I heard Liberia just put in its newspaper that the Dept of Defense manufactured Ebola and gave it to the African people via "vaccinations". I kind of wonder how wrong they are? It seems like Ebola flared up just as this was coming to light. Needless to say, no matter which side of the argument you fall on, the CDC NEEDS better oversight. They govern themselves. Everyone else who gets gov't funds has to submit to an independent audit. Let's police the police a little bit more, shall we?
Have you read it? Given that you replied within mere minutes, and it's a long blog entry, it seems unlikely.
It clearly lays out how and why the data was processed the way it was. It may be an "opinion blog", but it's an _informed_ opinion blog, by someone who understands both how to write biostats correctly, and how to do it, unlike yourself. You could genuinely learn something from it.
Do you have any particular objections to anything they said in their post?
Of course it ignored the "1000s of documents" because the author hasn't been sent any of those documents…which rather raises the question as to how you have any of them, if they all got sent to Posey's office. I'm amazed that you have had the chance to review them all enough to know what they contain already, given that Posey's office has not yet done so. So forgive me if I don't take your word about what documents you have or have not got or read – it seems like posturing, at best.
If you read the original original source material, namely, the 2004 study itself, things might actually become clearer. Use the article I posted as a guide to stay on track. It is not fraudulent to process data in a way that controls for potentially confounding variables. Indeed, if the pattern disappears, it indicates that one or more of those variable may be the explanatory factor. What's clear is that MMR is not.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936
Why are you posting your opinion blog if you have such a low opinion of them?
Some excerpts:
While one could read into Thompson's statement an implication of wrongdoing, he does not allege any fraud either on his part nor on the part of the rest of the team associated with the 2004 paper.
Did the CDC hide data from the public?
No. The data set used by the CDC in the 2004 paper has always been available to qualified researchers.
More excerpts:
Did the CDC cover up a finding that the MMR vaccine is linked to autism?
While no clear association was discovered, they did notice that there was an odd finding that more cases than controls were vaccinated later than 24 months of age but before 36 months of age. To see if this apparent association was real, they gathered more information from state birth certificate records for all study subjects that had a Georgia birth certificate. This additional information allowed them to see if there might have been some other factor (e.g., birth weight, parents’ age, mother’s education level, etc.) that might have been responsible for the strange finding. Once the researchers controlled for these additional factors, the anomaly disappeared, meaning that there was no connection between MMR vaccination and autism.
Another:
Was the decision to use birth certificates arbitrary and irrelevant?
No. As the authors of the 2004 study note:
'Among case and control children whose records we were able to match with Georgia birth certificate files, we performed a subanalysis to evaluate possible confounding by differences in birth and maternal characteristics.'
The full study population data showed a possible association between age of first MMR and autism, but the data did not contain information that may have pointed to other causes of that association. The birth records did have that information, and allowed the researchers to discover that the MMR was not associated with autism.
Kelly M. Bray http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/09/08/cdc-scientists-shocking-confession-mmr-vaccine-likely-cause-autism-black-babies/
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/09/08/cdc-scientists-shocking-confession-mmr-vaccine-likely-cause-autism-black-babies/
Why in the world did Thompson, a top CDC scientist, decide to confess his regret for having agreed to not report on an anomalous finding in a decade old study to two rabidly anti-vaccine activists, one who had lost his medical license for his unethical and fraudulent vaccine study?! He could have gone to his co-authors to discuss this or to the administration. Something is wrong with this picture. Now, his actions could lead to increased fear of the MMR vaccine, leading to more hospitalizations, suffering, physical damage, and deaths — specifically targeting our black population. I just don't trust his judgment abilities.
To the racists on this comment thread, they need to read today's press release…CDCwhistleblower confirms everything Dr. Brian Hooker has said. END OF STORY. They are guilty if doing what they are accused of by parents. Disgusting.
Thompson still works at CDC and has to support vaccines, but he also said that he is ashamed when he meets parents of children with Autism because he knows he is partly to blame for that. They are all to blame.
To the paid troll who is attacking my posts…get a better job aside from being complicit in harming children defending the indefensible acts of cruel and brutal people.
The CDC has a history of manipulating data in order to achieve a desired outcome and then misleading the public. The agency has been criticized in a number of government investigative reports for its failure to warn and protect the public.
In 2008, the CDC withheld information regarding the toxic formaldehyde found in trailers provided to victims of hurricane Katrina and failed to alert the public that formaldehyde is a carcinogen.
An Office of the Inspector General (OIG) 2009 investigation concluded the CDC was allowing many scientists and medical experts, with significant conflicts of interest, to participate in numerous research studies.
Then in 2010, a congressional investigation found the CDC "…knowingly used flawed data to claim that high lead levels in the [DC] District's drinking water did not pose a health risk to the public." The Washington Post reported, "The committee reveals that the missing data showed clear harm to children from the water — and that CDC authors knew the data was flawed."
In addition, former CDC vaccine/autism researcher, Poul Thorsen, who co-authored several studies widely cited as "proof" there is no link between vaccines and autism, has been indicted and charged with 13 counts of wire fraud and nine counts of money laundering awarded to the CDC for autism related research. Thorson is now a fugitive on the Inspector General's most wanted list.
"Given this abysmal track record and the fact that an astonishing 1 in 68 American children have an autism diagnosis, one has to wonder why the revelations made by Drs. Thompson and Hooker hasn't become a major news story or prompted greater congressional scrutiny of the CDC," said Barry Segal, founder of Focus Autism.
Noone without an ulterior motive would be here defending CDC, meaning paid to do so. Parents on the other hand are morally and ethically compelled because they know first hand how vaccines have destroyed the lives of their children.
Dr. Thompson gave information that was taped. He does acknowledge this fact.
It is sad how most who attack the parents off children with Autism are not even scientists, but paid hacks…follow the money trail. The parents have and know who they are and who they really work for. And they have the gall to attack Theresa Deisher when they are not even academically near her caliber, nor have her expertise. They attack her because she is telling the truth they don't want the public to know. They want to keep vaccinating until half the u.s. childhood population has Autism and silence these children…eugenics. Who said racism is gone in America?
Thank you Atlanta Black Star. Where is the rest of the press on Dr. William Thompson, a senior CDC scientist, blowing the whistle on MMR vaccine science fraud?
Here is what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said about the situation of the press, at a rally for vaccine safety in Washington, DC, six years ago.
“I’ve talked to The New York Times, and I said… ‘You’re going to have to apologize for this someday, for what you’ve done here. Because what you’ve done here, that war’s going to cost us three trillion dollars, but the treatment of these children, and cost to our society, from what you have done, from what you are doing to this generation of children, is going to far exceed the cost of the Iraq War.’ And somebody is going to have to come to terms with that, and ultimately, the American press has completely let down our democracy.”
http://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/issue/11-robert-f-kennedy-jr-green-our-vaccines-rally/
What if everyone has it backwards, and the anti-vaccine movement is actually a plot to NOT get kids vaccinated so they will be more likely to get sick and die?
That makes as much sense as some of the other theories I see posted…
I knew it.
God, they so wicked, deliver us.
Warren Lauzon….Buh Bye!
Warren Lauzon Oh and take that hag Dorit with you! LOL
autism among African American children and a 69% increase in all children who were vaccinated with the MMR vaccine