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Thursday, November 27th, 2014

7 Things Your Colorblind Racist Friend Might Say to You and How to Respond

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What they say:

“People are just people.”  ”I don’t see color.”  ”We’re all just human.”   “Character, not color, is what counts with me.”

Response:

“Colorblindness” negates the cultural values, norms, expectations and life experiences of people of color. Even if an individual white person can ignore a person’s skin color, society does not.

Claiming to be “colorblind” can also be a defense when someone is afraid to discuss racism, especially if the assumption is that all conversation about race or color is racist.  Color consciousness does not equal racism.

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Comments

  1. good read.

  2. good read.

  3. Why is Huey Newton being called a racist?

  4. I like the picture of the old guy…

  5. I like the picture of the old guy…

  6. Mike Johnson says:

    "Let’s first define racism with this formula…" "First lets redefine a word to what we need it to mean to give our point any validity instead of what it actually means."

  7. Mike Johnson says:

    "Let’s first define racism with this formula…" "First lets redefine a word to what we need it to mean to give our point any validity instead of what it actually means."

  8. If black people just banded together articles like these would go away.

  9. If black people just banded together articles like these would go away.

  10. Jamal Heiden says:

    No. This is an academic field that's studied and critiqued. They applied that here – most people don't know this, including you. It's not redefinition, it's definition – denotative and not connotative.

  11. Jamal Heiden says:

    No. This is an academic field that's studied and critiqued. They applied that here – most people don't know this, including you. It's not redefinition, it's definition – denotative and not connotative.

  12. Jamal Heiden says:

    Untrue. At the very least, there's just not enough black people and we can't sustain, or "catch up" without working outside of our community. E.g., even if we decided to vote together, same agendas, same politicians, 13% would pass no law, and elect no one. We can't do it alone; we never have. That's just a small part of the solution.

  13. Jamal Heiden says:

    Untrue. At the very least, there's just not enough black people and we can't sustain, or "catch up" without working outside of our community. E.g., even if we decided to vote together, same agendas, same politicians, 13% would pass no law, and elect no one. We can't do it alone; we never have. That's just a small part of the solution.

  14. Jamal Heiden: Do you realize that 13% is a high number of people? Do you realize that that 13% is higher than the percentage of Asians, 5%? So what's the excuse now? I'm tired of black people making excuses. It's time for me to leave the United States of America and go back to Africa where I was born and belong.

  15. Jamal Heiden: Do you realize that 13% is a high number of people? Do you realize that that 13% is higher than the percentage of Asians, 5%? So what's the excuse now? I'm tired of black people making excuses. It's time for me to leave the United States of America and go back to Africa where I was born and belong.

  16. Jamal Heiden: Do you realize that 13% is a high number of people? Do you realize that that 13% is higher than the percentage of Asians, 5%? So what's the excuse now? I'm tired of black people making excuses. It's time for me to leave the United States of America and go back to Africa where I was born and belong.

  17. Okay, I didn't mean to be rude if I was. The point I am trying to make is that black people are divided. You have black people who are rich running off to the suburbs where white people live, instead of helping out other struggling black people. Black people with good credit who could open up businesses decide to live in big houses in white neighborhoods. Don't you realize how bad that is? It's not about votes or laws, it's about unity.

  18. Okay, I didn't mean to be rude if I was. The point I am trying to make is that black people are divided. You have black people who are rich running off to the suburbs where white people live, instead of helping out other struggling black people. Black people with good credit who could open up businesses decide to live in big houses in white neighborhoods. Don't you realize how bad that is? It's not about votes or laws, it's about unity.

  19. Sam Bussard says:

    Jamal Heiden I am going to agree with Mike on this one. The way the article states it, is that no other race can be racist because they do not have institutional power to oppress white people. Racism is simple. If you hate someone for the color of their skin you are in fact a racist.

  20. Sam Bussard says:

    Jamal Heiden I am going to agree with Mike on this one. The way the article states it, is that no other race can be racist because they do not have institutional power to oppress white people. Racism is simple. If you hate someone for the color of their skin you are in fact a racist.

  21. Sam and Mike, what you're describing is prejudice, not racism. Any ethnicity can be prejudice. Minorities cannot be racist. They're different words with actual different meanings.

  22. Sam and Mike, what you're describing is prejudice, not racism. Any ethnicity can be prejudice. Minorities cannot be racist. They're different words with actual different meanings.

  23. Levon DeMarquis Valle says:

    James M Jones argues that there are three forms: personally mediated, internalized, and systematic racism. Dr. King even began to focus on what he considered was economic racism in his later years.

  24. Levon DeMarquis Valle says:

    James M Jones argues that there are three forms: personally mediated, internalized, and systematic racism. Dr. King even began to focus on what he considered was economic racism in his later years.

  25. Sam Bussard says:

    I think you need to read your dictionary again then. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism Racism is in fact a racial prejudice against someone. If your vernacular includes phrases like I hate White people, or I hate Black people, or I hate Mexicans you are a racist. To label and pander around words is semantics. However, it does not change the fact that it is racist.

  26. Sam Bussard says:

    I think you need to read your dictionary again then. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism Racism is in fact a racial prejudice against someone. If your vernacular includes phrases like I hate White people, or I hate Black people, or I hate Mexicans you are a racist. To label and pander around words is semantics. However, it does not change the fact that it is racist.

  27. D Oliver Martin says:

    Really.. ?? and what would that change??

  28. D Oliver Martin says:

    Really.. ?? and what would that change??

  29. La Mar Rashod says:

    Racism includes belief. The belief that race can be categorized in rank is racist. Saying that "only those in power can exhibit racist qualities" is fundamentally incorrect. Also this article says that people of color are limited to the access of wealth and success, that isnt only racist but also ignorant. Humans, no matter color creed or whatever are not bound by anyone but themselves. "if there is no enemy within the enemy without cannot harm you" (African Proverb)

  30. La Mar Rashod says:

    Racism includes belief. The belief that race can be categorized in rank is racist. Saying that "only those in power can exhibit racist qualities" is fundamentally incorrect. Also this article says that people of color are limited to the access of wealth and success, that isnt only racist but also ignorant. Humans, no matter color creed or whatever are not bound by anyone but themselves. "if there is no enemy within the enemy without cannot harm you" (African Proverb)

  31. La Mar Rashod "Saying that "only those in power can exhibit racist qualities" is fundamentally incorrect." Well, that's not what she is saying…she's saying that since the power structure of the United States has historically benefited whites and continues to do so today, the definition of racism isn't just one individual's belief that a certain race is superior to others but that defining racism also includes institutional oppression. Tim Wise quote "When a group of people has little or no power over you institutionally, they don't get to define the terms of your existence, they can't limit your opportunities, and you needn't worry much about the use of a slur to describe you and yours, since, in all likelihood, the slur is as far as it's going to go. What are they going to do next: deny you a bank loan? Yeah, right."

    "Humans, no matter color creed or whatever are not bound by anyone but themselves."

    Really? So what was slavery? And what about the white laws that keep black locked up for petty theft such as a dime worth of illegal marijuana use.

  32. La Mar Rashod "Saying that "only those in power can exhibit racist qualities" is fundamentally incorrect." Well, that's not what she is saying…she's saying that since the power structure of the United States has historically benefited whites and continues to do so today, the definition of racism isn't just one individual's belief that a certain race is superior to others but that defining racism also includes institutional oppression. Tim Wise quote "When a group of people has little or no power over you institutionally, they don't get to define the terms of your existence, they can't limit your opportunities, and you needn't worry much about the use of a slur to describe you and yours, since, in all likelihood, the slur is as far as it's going to go. What are they going to do next: deny you a bank loan? Yeah, right."

    "Humans, no matter color creed or whatever are not bound by anyone but themselves."

    Really? So what was slavery? And what about the white laws that keep black locked up for petty theft such as a dime worth of illegal marijuana use today?

  33. whoever wrote this is delusional and about the most racist the term gets. anybody can be racist. this author decided to define the word racism their own way, basically saying that minorities cannot be racist which in itself, exemption of any race compared to another, is racism. roughly 50 years after the civil rights movement, there's the NAACP, UNCF, tons of grants and scholarships simply for being a certain race, Obama as president etc… why is this topic even being discussed today? all of the above things (excluding the president) single out a race above others which in itself is the definition of racism, so if anybody should be mad, it should be the Caucasian people. Martin Luther King would be appalled at how unappreciative people are toward one another these days and if he saw just how little we've actually come together. anybody can be racist, stop singling yourself out of that category because of your race. that's a racist oxymoron.

  34. Adam White says:

    Sam Bussard, racism is certainly more than just personal bias. It's unreasonable to think that just being prejudiced against someone is the only way racism (or sexism, homoantagonism/homophobia, ableism, transantagonism, or any other term that identifies the hate/dislike of someone for some characteristic he or she or it possesses) is the only way racism manifests. If not racist, what would you have us call the systematic oppression that serves to keep racial minorities disenfranchised and has a particular, peculiar vendetta against black people, especially? If not a racist regime, then what? I'd like to know what term you have in mind for it..

  35. Adam White says:

    Sam Bussard, racism is certainly more than just personal bias. It's unreasonable to think that just being prejudiced against someone is the only way racism (or sexism, homoantagonism/homophobia, ableism, transantagonism, or any other term that identifies the hate/dislike of someone for some characteristic he or she or it possesses) is the only way racism manifests. If not racist, what would you have us call the systematic oppression that serves to keep racial minorities disenfranchised and has a particular, peculiar vendetta against black people, especially? If not a racist regime, then what? I'd like to know what term you have in mind for it..

  36. La Mar Rashod says:

    Love Queh Fredrick Douglas said, “Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave.” This is coming from a man who was actually a slave. He said "NO MAN CAN BIND ME"!!! "once you learn to read and write you are free"
    I agree racism covers many definitions, but it does not stop at European descendants.

  37. La Mar Rashod says:

    Love Queh Fredrick Douglas said, “Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave.” This is coming from a man who was actually a slave. He said "NO MAN CAN BIND ME"!!! "once you learn to read and write you are free"
    I agree racism covers many definitions, but it does not stop at European descendants.

  38. Adam White says:

    La Mar Rashod that's cool and all, but a farcry from how social structures actually work. people ARE limited by more than just themselves, especially if they live within the constraints of a society. we are expected to act and function in very specific ways within our societies, lest we be punished (prison, ostracism). so, like it or not, you are 'bound' to others; you are bound to follow the rules set forth by other people.

  39. Adam White says:

    La Mar Rashod that's cool and all, but a farcry from how social structures actually work. people ARE limited by more than just themselves, especially if they live within the constraints of a society. we are expected to act and function in very specific ways within our societies, lest we be punished (prison, ostracism). so, like it or not, you are 'bound' to others; you are bound to follow the rules set forth by other people.

  40. La Mar Rashod says:

    Adam White Then How did Fredrick do it!? O.W GURLY!?!?!? Harriet Tubman!?!?! How did they learn to read and write… buy themselves out of slavery and go on to create TOWNS and cities! and uplift their people in times and circumstances MUCH MUCH worse than ours!?!?! Now we're listening to others that say we're limited?? Thats insane! They knew that the only person holding them back was their mental state. Slavery manifests from within. Thats what Fredrick was saying. EDUCATION destroys the chains of bondage!

  41. La Mar Rashod says:

    Adam White Then How did Fredrick do it!? O.W GURLY!?!?!? Harriet Tubman!?!?! How did they learn to read and write… buy themselves out of slavery and go on to create TOWNS and cities! and uplift their people in times and circumstances MUCH MUCH worse than ours!?!?! Now we're listening to others that say we're limited?? Thats insane! They knew that the only person holding them back was their mental state. Slavery manifests from within. Thats what Fredrick was saying. EDUCATION destroys the chains of bondage!

  42. Michael Ssali What about Asians? Central Asians, Eastern Asian, Northern Asian Southern Asian, Southeast Asian and Western Asians are divided just like any other minority group. They don't all see themselves as belonging to one community and don't all identify with each other. Asians aren't all going back and building up their community..they get wealthy and move out like any other minority.

  43. Michael Ssali What about Asians? Central Asians, Eastern Asian, Northern Asian Southern Asian, Southeast Asian and Western Asians are divided just like any other minority group. They don't all see themselves as belonging to one community and don't all identify with each other. Asians aren't all going back and building up their community..they get wealthy and move out like any other minority.

  44. Adam White says:

    La Mar Rashod you mean in secrecy (Tubman) and then (for Frederick Douglas) successful escape following a couple of failed attempts? lol, here's the thing: neither Tubman nor Douglas were ever truly free. living within the confines of a racist society still limited what they could achieve. both had many, many, many difficulties after escaping slavery. that, obviously, had more to do than willpower. i think it's important to recognize that was true during their times and it's true during ours. it takes more than just willpower and self-determination to get things done in a society.

  45. Adam White says:

    La Mar Rashod you mean in secrecy (Tubman) and then (for Frederick Douglas) successful escape following a couple of failed attempts? lol, here's the thing: neither Tubman nor Douglas were ever truly free. living within the confines of a racist society still limited what they could achieve. both had many, many, many difficulties after escaping slavery. that, obviously, had more to do than willpower. i think it's important to recognize that was true during their times and it's true during ours. it takes more than just willpower and self-determination to get things done in a society.

  46. La Mar Rashod says:

    Adam White. You can believe anything you want. I dont mind keeping my financial abundance a secret, so what!? They did what their minds said they could do and did it. They were free!!! They were truly free!!!! They were well educated and continue to lift their ppl through their examples of fearlessness! It does take more than will power, it takes focus, faith and LOVE. What faith do you have?? What bible do you read, or Quraan? No information from a HIGHER source or POWER says you are BONDED BY MEN!!! THATS CRAZY!!!!!!!

  47. La Mar Rashod says:

    Adam White. You can believe anything you want. I dont mind keeping my financial abundance a secret, so what!? They did what their minds said they could do and did it. They were free!!! They were truly free!!!! They were well educated and continue to lift their ppl through their examples of fearlessness! It does take more than will power, it takes focus, faith and LOVE. What faith do you have?? What bible do you read, or Quraan? No information from a HIGHER source or POWER says you are BONDED BY MEN!!! THATS CRAZY!!!!!!!

  48. Love Queh I don't know which Asians you're talking about. All the Asians I know stick together with their own and speak their own languages and buy from their own stores. With black people, they are ashamed of speaking black and would rather speak proper English and show off how well they can speak it; when they get their paycheck, they rush to buy the newest Jordans or the newest clothes at Macy's; they are so proud of the cars they own, cars like BMWs, Lexuses, Benzes, etc which are all made by european or asian countries. You see, black people are giving money away whereas other groups are keeping their money with themselves. When you have people who would rather keep up with white people than bring up their own people, that's where the problem starts and continues. These articles will keep complaining about what the white people are doing but they will never ever address the things I have listed above, because in this country, being white is "cool" and being black is "evil." I really don't have time to waste with this lost cause because black people will keep blaming the white man instead of sticking together and ignoring the white man. Look at Hispanics; stick together so much the rest of the population is learning their language. Why can't black people at least stick together and have their own communities in each town? Or have their own schools, private school that teach kids from Kindergarten to twelfth grade? Why is it that these bourgeoisie black people keep sending their kids to private white schools when they have the money and power to start a brand new school for black kids? Why? Because they want to be white, read shakespeare, work at fortune 500 companies owned by white people, drive white people cars, wear white people's clothes, attend white religion churches on sundays, and speak as white as possible when they go to work. Meanwhile, the community is still dying and they have the audacity to get on facebook and complain about white people. To me, white people are over there and I'm here. I will not waste time complaining about what they do or say about anything because at the end of the day, I am still a human being and no excuse is necessary if I can just get away from them and find conscious black people to talk to or socialize with. The problem is that many times black people want to complain about what white people do in their country, but are not doing what they should do to rectify this situation. I know this is long and winded, but that's how serious people need to get to solve the problem. Think about where your dollars go because it's all about the money. The more you give to white people, the more you take away from your people.

  49. Love Queh I don't know which Asians you're talking about. All the Asians I know stick together with their own and speak their own languages and buy from their own stores. With black people, they are ashamed of speaking black and would rather speak proper English and show off how well they can speak it; when they get their paycheck, they rush to buy the newest Jordans or the newest clothes at Macy's; they are so proud of the cars they own, cars like BMWs, Lexuses, Benzes, etc which are all made by european or asian countries. You see, black people are giving money away whereas other groups are keeping their money with themselves. When you have people who would rather keep up with white people than bring up their own people, that's where the problem starts and continues. These articles will keep complaining about what the white people are doing but they will never ever address the things I have listed above, because in this country, being white is "cool" and being black is "evil." I really don't have time to waste with this lost cause because black people will keep blaming the white man instead of sticking together and ignoring the white man. Look at Hispanics; stick together so much the rest of the population is learning their language. Why can't black people at least stick together and have their own communities in each town? Or have their own schools, private school that teach kids from Kindergarten to twelfth grade? Why is it that these bourgeoisie black people keep sending their kids to private white schools when they have the money and power to start a brand new school for black kids? Why? Because they want to be white, read shakespeare, work at fortune 500 companies owned by white people, drive white people cars, wear white people's clothes, attend white religion churches on sundays, and speak as white as possible when they go to work. Meanwhile, the community is still dying and they have the audacity to get on facebook and complain about white people. To me, white people are over there and I'm here. I will not waste time complaining about what they do or say about anything because at the end of the day, I am still a human being and no excuse is necessary if I can just get away from them and find conscious black people to talk to or socialize with. The problem is that many times black people want to complain about what white people do in their country, but are not doing what they should do to rectify this situation. I know this is long and winded, but that's how serious people need to get to solve the problem. Think about where your dollars go because it's all about the money. The more you give to white people, the more you take away from your people.

  50. La Mar Rashod
    Racism is prejudice +power…not prejudice + white….but in America the majority in power is white.

    “Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave.”

    Whether Frederick was unfit to be a slave or not he was still a slave and it wasn't their "mental state" that made them a slave…it was slavery that made them slaves. Slavery kept them from learning to read and write (both later did secretly)… a mental state isn't what oppressed them and beat them and made them less than human. They both had strong mental states and that's why they were able to get out of slavery . And they were able to do those great things because black people can be great people…we can do anything…but slavery kept that from happening for many and it wasn't until they escaped it were they able to achieve all the great things you mentioned. If they had remained slaves..you think any of those things would have been possible? They lied and cheated their way out of it…they fought against it and blacks have to continue to get themselves out of what ever holding them back…racism or whatever

  51. La Mar Rashod
    Racism is prejudice +power…not prejudice + white….but in America the majority in power is white.

    “Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave.”

    Whether Frederick was unfit to be a slave or not he was still a slave and it wasn't their "mental state" that made them a slave…it was slavery that made them slaves. Slavery kept them from learning to read and write (both later did secretly)… a mental state isn't what oppressed them and beat them and made them less than human. They both had strong mental states and that's why they were able to get out of slavery . And they were able to do those great things because black people can be great people…we can do anything…but slavery kept that from happening for many and it wasn't until they escaped it were they able to achieve all the great things you mentioned. If they had remained slaves..you think any of those things would have been possible? They lied and cheated their way out of it…they fought against it and blacks have to continue to get themselves out of what ever holding them back…racism or whatever

  52. Sam Bussard says:

    Adam White I never stated that it was inclusive to only people who hate people on a personal bias. I think it is funny that you negate the entirety of my initial response. There are most definitely different forms of racism. There are many types of socio-economic racism that exist. The issue that I have with the article is that it states that because someone is white they can not experience racism, that it would only be a form of prejudice since there is no systemic oppression that white people feel because of their race. In the literal sense this is not true…at all. That is not the definition of racism. Sorry I didn't write the definition. Lets just say for an instance just for "fun" that we did use your definition. It still would be untrue. To say that continual racism in any form or from any group or person onto another on a continual basis is not a form of systemic oppression is incorrect. Social pressures come from our peers and the rules set in place around us. Are they unfair? Damn right they are unfair! I don't support them any more than I hope that you do.

  53. Sam Bussard says:

    Adam White I never stated that it was inclusive to only people who hate people on a personal bias. I think it is funny that you negate the entirety of my initial response. There are most definitely different forms of racism. There are many types of socio-economic racism that exist. The issue that I have with the article is that it states that because someone is white they can not experience racism, that it would only be a form of prejudice since there is no systemic oppression that white people feel because of their race. In the literal sense this is not true…at all. That is not the definition of racism. Sorry I didn't write the definition. Lets just say for an instance just for "fun" that we did use your definition. It still would be untrue. To say that continual racism in any form or from any group or person onto another on a continual basis is not a form of systemic oppression is incorrect. Social pressures come from our peers and the rules set in place around us. Are they unfair? Damn right they are unfair! I don't support them any more than I hope that you do.

  54. Sam Bussard says:

    In fact the very concept of being inclusive and exclusive due to race is a racist act at its very core. To quantify and say that mine is better than your or that yours is better than mine is to put it simply ignorant. I do think as a whole certain groups are more oppressed than others. But lets be real about this. To say that I have never been socially oppressed because I am white is just ignorant. You don't know me or the things I have gone through in my life, just as I do not know you. Case and point I would never judge your life or what you have experienced.

  55. Sam Bussard says:

    In fact the very concept of being inclusive and exclusive due to race is a racist act at its very core. To quantify and say that mine is better than your or that yours is better than mine is to put it simply ignorant. I do think as a whole certain groups are more oppressed than others. But lets be real about this. To say that I have never been socially oppressed because I am white is just ignorant. You don't know me or the things I have gone through in my life, just as I do not know you. Case and point I would never judge your life or what you have experienced.

  56. La Mar Rashod says:

    Love Queh You are having a revolutionary moment. This is life altering for you. You are learning that MIND is what manifests your environment, your environment is made to mirror your thinking. Fredrick discovered this, and proved it in his own way and in his own time. Wether you keep it a secret or not. It is done.
    It was in their mind that they could be slaves, and it was in their mind that they could be free!! So now its our turn to choose. I dont believe you or I are bounded by men, wether they seem like they are in power or not. It is in your mind.

  57. La Mar Rashod says:

    Love Queh You are having a revolutionary moment. This is life altering for you. You are learning that MIND is what manifests your environment, your environment is made to mirror your thinking. Fredrick discovered this, and proved it in his own way and in his own time. Wether you keep it a secret or not. It is done.
    It was in their mind that they could be slaves, and it was in their mind that they could be free!! So now its our turn to choose. I dont believe you or I are bounded by men, wether they seem like they are in power or not. It is in your mind.

  58. Michael Ssali Okay, I hear you and I sort of agree and I sort of don't…especially about Hispanics and Asians sticking together more than blacks. Report show they don't but whateves…..but I hear you and agree for the most part about blacks needing to invest in each-other and their communities…but I still stand behind the fact that I believe AMERICA should start investing in blacks and not just blacks.

  59. Michael Ssali Okay, I hear you and I sort of agree and I sort of don't…especially about Hispanics and Asians sticking together more than blacks. Report show they don't but whateves…..but I hear you and agree for the most part about blacks needing to invest in each-other and their communities…but I still stand behind the fact that I believe AMERICA should start investing in blacks and not just blacks.

  60. La Mar Rashod Do you stop at the red light when the light says red or do you go? Or maybe you don't drive at all. We are all bound, as the nice gentle man above already stated "we are expected to act and function in very specific ways within our societies, lest we be punished (prison, ostracism). so, like it or not, you are 'bound' to others; you are bound to follow the rules set forth by other people." whether we want to or not..but I understand that you have your very "special" opinions and I mine…so lets just agree to disagree and be on our way. BYE

  61. La Mar Rashod Do you stop at the red light when the light says red or do you go? Or maybe you don't drive at all. We are all bound, as the nice gentle man above already stated "we are expected to act and function in very specific ways within our societies, lest we be punished (prison, ostracism). so, like it or not, you are 'bound' to others; you are bound to follow the rules set forth by other people." whether we want to or not..but I understand that you have your very "special" opinions and I mine…so lets just agree to disagree and be on our way. BYE

  62. La Mar Rashod says:

    Love Queh Confucius says "One man says he can, the other says he cannot, they are both right"

  63. La Mar Rashod says:

    Love Queh Confucius says "One man says he can, the other says he cannot, they are both right"

  64. La Mar Rashod says:

    Love Queh Confucius says "One man says he can, the other says he cannot, they are both right"

  65. Er Ick Zerebelem says:

    Sam Bussard Dictionaries are not where you find definitions to social science terminology. Hatred + Power = Racism. When People of Color are hateful toward White People it is merely hatred.

  66. Er Ick Zerebelem says:

    Sam Bussard Dictionaries are not where you find definitions to social science terminology. Hatred + Power = Racism. When People of Color are hateful toward White People it is merely hatred.

  67. Er Ick Zerebelem says:

    La Mar Rashod, women in Mississippi who can't afford bus fare to the 1 Planned Parenthood clinic, don't deserve health care? Are these women bound by themselves or misogynistic legislators?

  68. Djenaba Gregory-Faal says:

    Michael Ssali, our people in Africa do exactly what you are describing — at even more distructive levels. It is about unity–but it is also about sacrifice and a willingness to be severly punished (the American African and the Continental African have this challenge when working toward unifying against great powers).

  69. Djenaba Gregory-Faal says:

    Michael Ssali, our people in Africa do exactly what you are describing — at even more distructive levels. It is about unity–but it is also about sacrifice and a willingness to be severly punished (the American African and the Continental African have this challenge when working toward unifying against great powers).

  70. Djenaba Gregory-Faal says:

    Michael Ssali, our people in Africa do exactly what you are describing — at even more distructive levels. It is about unity–but it is also about sacrifice and a willingness to be severly punished (the American African and the Continental African have this challenge when working toward unifying against great powers).

  71. Love Queh, by the time I was able to see the responses and respond, you'd already said what I was going to say

  72. Love Queh, by the time I was able to see the responses and respond, you'd already said what I was going to say

  73. Love Queh, by the time I was able to see the responses and respond, you'd already said what I was going to say

  74. Adam White says:

    Sam Bussard, you did say that. "Racism is simple. If you hate someone for the color of their skin you are in fact a racist." < direct quote. that isn't in the article, and you don't appear to be quoting someone else, so i take it those are your words. if you think racism is anything else, you didn't add it to that definition of racism you provided for us. i think before you accuse someone of twisting what you say, you should actually know what you've said. also, it's not my definition; i'm no etymologist, linguist, anthropologist, historian, sociologist, psychologist, or philosopher of any kind, so i don't create or define terms to describe specific life experiences. and i suspect you're none of the above, either. racism has a different meaning in a thesaurus than it does in a dictionary, so which is right? which is wrong? which is more true, which is less?

    http://thesaurus.com/browse/racism

    it's interesting that words such as "apartheid" and "segregation" are considered directly synonymous with racism.

  75. Winnie Diamond says:

    Love Queh very well said sister!

  76. Winnie Diamond says:

    Love Queh very well said sister!

  77. Winnie Diamond says:

    Love Queh very well said sister!

  78. Chris Carey says:

    EXCELLENT post.

  79. Chris Carey says:

    EXCELLENT post.

  80. Chris Carey says:

    EXCELLENT post.

  81. Where is the systemic institutional power?… Our president is black! I guess by your definition nobody but those in the KKK can be racist because they have no institution backing their prejudice… Yeah… That makes sense….

  82. Where is the systemic institutional power?… Our president is black! I guess by your definition nobody but those in the KKK can be racist because they have no institution backing their prejudice… Yeah… That makes sense….

  83. Where is the systemic institutional power?… Our president is black! I guess by your definition nobody but those in the KKK can be racist because they have no institution backing their prejudice… Yeah… That makes sense….

  84. Angela Zivo Gapa says:

    What about in countries where white people are being persecuted like Zimbabwe? Is that racism or prejudice? It is systematic oppression by the government.People of color can be racist too, if they are in powerful positions.

  85. Angela Zivo Gapa says:

    What about in countries where white people are being persecuted like Zimbabwe? Is that racism or prejudice? It is systematic oppression by the government.People of color can be racist too, if they are in powerful positions.

  86. Angela Zivo Gapa says:

    What about in countries where white people are being persecuted like Zimbabwe? Is that racism or prejudice? It is systematic oppression by the government.People of color can be racist too, if they are in powerful positions.

  87. Yes, okay sociologists, so in your academic circles the word racism means systemic racism. But what you don't seem to grasp is how much you set back the progress towards equality by confusing the HELL out of people and insulting their intelligence. The dictionary plainly states the definition of racism, and does not include a prerequisite of a system of oppression. this is the definition every goddamn person is familiar with, so why can't you just say "Systemic Racism" instead of just "Racism"? I mean, for systemic racism to exist there already has to be "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race". Basically you are pissing tons of people off and making sociologists seem like arrogant, illogical assholes by using your own definition for Racism and acting like everyone who uses the one in the dictionary is a moron. Shootin' yourself in the foot guys, just sayin.

  88. Yes, okay sociologists, so in your academic circles the word racism means systemic racism. But what you don't seem to grasp is how much you set back the progress towards equality by confusing the HELL out of people and insulting their intelligence. The dictionary plainly states the definition of racism, and does not include a prerequisite of a system of oppression. this is the definition every goddamn person is familiar with, so why can't you just say "Systemic Racism" instead of just "Racism"? I mean, for systemic racism to exist there already has to be "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race". Basically you are pissing tons of people off and making sociologists seem like arrogant, illogical assholes by using your own definition for Racism and acting like everyone who uses the one in the dictionary is a moron. Shootin' yourself in the foot guys, just sayin.

  89. Yes, okay sociologists, so in your academic circles the word racism means systemic racism. But what you don't seem to grasp is how much you set back the progress towards equality by confusing the HELL out of people and insulting their intelligence. The dictionary plainly states the definition of racism, and does not include a prerequisite of a system of oppression. this is the definition every goddamn person is familiar with, so why can't you just say "Systemic Racism" instead of just "Racism"? I mean, for systemic racism to exist there already has to be "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race". Basically you are pissing tons of people off and making sociologists seem like arrogant, illogical assholes by using your own definition for Racism and acting like everyone who uses the one in the dictionary is a moron. Shootin' yourself in the foot guys, just sayin.

  90. God, I HATE comments sections… BLACK PEOPLE WERE BROUGHT HERE IN CHAINS. NOBODY BUT NATIVE AMERICANS HAD IT WORSE HERE. IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, YOU ARE FACTUALLY WWWWRRRRROOOONNNGGG.

  91. God, I HATE comments sections… BLACK PEOPLE WERE BROUGHT HERE IN CHAINS. NOBODY BUT NATIVE AMERICANS HAD IT WORSE HERE. IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, YOU ARE FACTUALLY WWWWRRRRROOOONNNGGG.

  92. God, I HATE comments sections… BLACK PEOPLE WERE BROUGHT HERE IN CHAINS. NOBODY BUT NATIVE AMERICANS HAD IT WORSE HERE. IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, YOU ARE FACTUALLY WWWWRRRRROOOONNNGGG.

  93. Beverly Jones says:

    That still doesn't apply because you aren't even analyzing the historical context of why that is happening. Zimbabwe, like the rest of Africa, was divided and exploited by European Nations. Those white landowning elite that are getting their land seized by the Zimbabwean government only acquired that land through illegal and underhanded means (which involved kicking the original owners of that land off of their own property). Would you seriously argue against Indigenous communities reclaiming their land that has been stolen from them through colonialism and imperialism?

  94. Beverly Jones says:

    That still doesn't apply because you aren't even analyzing the historical context of why that is happening. Zimbabwe, like the rest of Africa, was divided and exploited by European Nations. Those white landowning elite that are getting their land seized by the Zimbabwean government only acquired that land through illegal and underhanded means (which involved kicking the original owners of that land off of their own property). Would you seriously argue against Indigenous communities reclaiming their land that has been stolen from them through colonialism and imperialism?

  95. Beverly Jones says:

    That still doesn't apply because you aren't even analyzing the historical context of why that is happening. Zimbabwe, like the rest of Africa, was divided and exploited by European Nations. Those white landowning elite that are getting their land seized by the Zimbabwean government only acquired that land through illegal and underhanded means (which involved kicking the original owners of that land off of their own property). Would you seriously argue against Indigenous communities reclaiming their land that has been stolen from them through colonialism and imperialism?

  96. I believe the term we use in the UK is White Supremacy

  97. I believe the term we use in the UK is White Supremacy

  98. I believe the term we use in the UK is White Supremacy

  99. LittleDead GirlUndead says:

    Um no i am a "minority" and yes people of color can most definitely be racist. What you are talking about is institutionalized racism and/or oppression. Some of the most racist people i have ever met in fact have been people of color…some siting that same bull shit about how they cant be racist because of it. Sexism is still sexism if a woman is the one being prejudiced even though men have more power. The bottom line is they are just racist with an excuse that they believe justifies their actions. Which in all honesty really makes them more like the people they say are "real" racists then any of them will ever admit.

  100. LittleDead GirlUndead says:

    Um no i am a "minority" and yes people of color can most definitely be racist. What you are talking about is institutionalized racism and/or oppression. Some of the most racist people i have ever met in fact have been people of color…some siting that same bull shit about how they cant be racist because of it. Sexism is still sexism if a woman is the one being prejudiced even though men have more power. The bottom line is they are just racist with an excuse that they believe justifies their actions. Which in all honesty really makes them more like the people they say are "real" racists then any of them will ever admit.

  101. LittleDead GirlUndead says:

    Um no i am a "minority" and yes people of color can most definitely be racist. What you are talking about is institutionalized racism and/or oppression. Some of the most racist people i have ever met in fact have been people of color…some siting that same bull shit about how they cant be racist because of it. Sexism is still sexism if a woman is the one being prejudiced even though men have more power. The bottom line is they are just racist with an excuse that they believe justifies their actions. Which in all honesty really makes them more like the people they say are "real" racists then any of them will ever admit.

  102. Love Queh: forget the reports, I know real life Asians and Hispanics who live in thriving communities. And you never hear Asians or Hispanics complaining about racism or classism or the government. Do you?

  103. Love Queh: forget the reports, I know real life Asians and Hispanics who live in thriving communities. And you never hear Asians or Hispanics complaining about racism or classism or the government. Do you?

  104. Love Queh: forget the reports, I know real life Asians and Hispanics who live in thriving communities. And you never hear Asians or Hispanics complaining about racism or classism or the government. Do you?

  105. Kat Blaque says:

    You gotta love angry white people (and black people) who completely miss the point. The comments in this article alone should tell you that racism isn't dead. I disagreed with aspects of this article especially the point about classism. As a black person that was raised upper middle class I really haven't seen things like the Mississippi pipeline described. But like that point said, i haven't been able to escape racism. My money has been able to help me avoid some racist situations but clearly not all. I'm still followed by show owners in certain stores and regardless of how much money i have and how well off i may be or have been, people still look at me and judge me as a black woman in this world.

    I hate when white people say 'we have a black president racism is dead" really? It took us how many presidents and how many years to get one? I would buy that if people elected him into office and the entire country was happy about it and indifferent to it but… they're not. His terms in office have DEMONSTRATED that racism is indeed not over. the tactics used against him to paint him as a white hating black man that wants to end white america etc etc etc. Come back t reality PLEASE. Yes we have a black president but is he accepted??? not at all. So please stop acting as though he is~ Its offensive to me and it should be to you.

    I used to be the kind of black person that looked down on other blacks from my pedestal and said "work harder" and "stop being lazy" and i blamed black people for their 'shortcomings' in society. But as I get older I start to see the racism that still exists in this country. I start to see reality of how it effects black people to this day. I start to realize that my attitude was the exact attitude this racist society wanted and needed me to have. One of victimizing and blaming black people. What a lot of people see as 'lazy blacks' they dont understand is simply a result of years and years of oppression. People that grow up in environments where illegal activity is the quickest way to make money because an education isn't in vogue. It's a result of oppression that happened a century ago that still translates to blacks of today. We can blame black people all day but in reality it's easy for non black people that come from families that 40 years ago weren't discriminated against, disenfranchised etc. because when you come from a working family, the chances are you're going to work too. It's easy when you're in a family of privilege and not a family without options.

  106. Kat Blaque says:

    You gotta love angry white people (and black people) who completely miss the point. The comments in this article alone should tell you that racism isn't dead. I disagreed with aspects of this article especially the point about classism. As a black person that was raised upper middle class I really haven't seen things like the Mississippi pipeline described. But like that point said, i haven't been able to escape racism. My money has been able to help me avoid some racist situations but clearly not all. I'm still followed by show owners in certain stores and regardless of how much money i have and how well off i may be or have been, people still look at me and judge me as a black woman in this world.

    I hate when white people say 'we have a black president racism is dead" really? It took us how many presidents and how many years to get one? I would buy that if people elected him into office and the entire country was happy about it and indifferent to it but… they're not. His terms in office have DEMONSTRATED that racism is indeed not over. the tactics used against him to paint him as a white hating black man that wants to end white america etc etc etc. Come back t reality PLEASE. Yes we have a black president but is he accepted??? not at all. So please stop acting as though he is~ Its offensive to me and it should be to you.

    I used to be the kind of black person that looked down on other blacks from my pedestal and said "work harder" and "stop being lazy" and i blamed black people for their 'shortcomings' in society. But as I get older I start to see the racism that still exists in this country. I start to see reality of how it effects black people to this day. I start to realize that my attitude was the exact attitude this racist society wanted and needed me to have. One of victimizing and blaming black people. What a lot of people see as 'lazy blacks' they dont understand is simply a result of years and years of oppression. People that grow up in environments where illegal activity is the quickest way to make money because an education isn't in vogue. It's a result of oppression that happened a century ago that still translates to blacks of today. We can blame black people all day but in reality it's easy for non black people that come from families that 40 years ago weren't discriminated against, disenfranchised etc. because when you come from a working family, the chances are you're going to work too. It's easy when you're in a family of privilege and not a family without options.

  107. Kat Blaque says:

    You gotta love angry white people (and black people) who completely miss the point. The comments in this article alone should tell you that racism isn't dead. I disagreed with aspects of this article especially the point about classism. As a black person that was raised upper middle class I really haven't seen things like the Mississippi pipeline described. But like that point said, i haven't been able to escape racism. My money has been able to help me avoid some racist situations but clearly not all. I'm still followed by show owners in certain stores and regardless of how much money i have and how well off i may be or have been, people still look at me and judge me as a black woman in this world.

    I hate when white people say 'we have a black president racism is dead" really? It took us how many presidents and how many years to get one? I would buy that if people elected him into office and the entire country was happy about it and indifferent to it but… they're not. His terms in office have DEMONSTRATED that racism is indeed not over. the tactics used against him to paint him as a white hating black man that wants to end white america etc etc etc. Come back t reality PLEASE. Yes we have a black president but is he accepted??? not at all. So please stop acting as though he is~ Its offensive to me and it should be to you.

    I used to be the kind of black person that looked down on other blacks from my pedestal and said "work harder" and "stop being lazy" and i blamed black people for their 'shortcomings' in society. But as I get older I start to see the racism that still exists in this country. I start to see reality of how it effects black people to this day. I start to realize that my attitude was the exact attitude this racist society wanted and needed me to have. One of victimizing and blaming black people. What a lot of people see as 'lazy blacks' they dont understand is simply a result of years and years of oppression. People that grow up in environments where illegal activity is the quickest way to make money because an education isn't in vogue. It's a result of oppression that happened a century ago that still translates to blacks of today. We can blame black people all day but in reality it's easy for non black people that come from families that 40 years ago weren't discriminated against, disenfranchised etc. because when you come from a working family, the chances are you're going to work too. It's easy when you're in a family of privilege and not a family without options.

  108. A while ago I learned something interesting

    It was during one of those annoying learning exercises that illustrate oppression by placing people in a game where people fight over resources and power symbolized by balls

    And at one point the people who got short handed stopped giving a fuck

    There's a lot power in not playing the game and not following the rules of a game that is against you from the start.

    In Mexican American gangs in particular there is a strong sense not being ashamed of your cultural heritage

  109. A while ago I learned something interesting

    It was during one of those annoying learning exercises that illustrate oppression by placing people in a game where people fight over resources and power symbolized by balls

    And at one point the people who got short handed stopped giving a fuck

    There's a lot power in not playing the game and not following the rules of a game that is against you from the start.

    In Mexican American gangs in particular there is a strong sense not being ashamed of your cultural heritage

  110. A while ago I learned something interesting

    It was during one of those annoying learning exercises that illustrate oppression by placing people in a game where people fight over resources and power symbolized by balls

    And at one point the people who got short handed stopped giving a fuck

    There's a lot power in not playing the game and not following the rules of a game that is against you from the start.

    In Mexican American gangs in particular there is a strong sense not being ashamed of your cultural heritage

  111. The United States has the most imprisoned people per capita out of any country

    And privatized prisons benefit from that financially

    Did you know that Latrice Royale worked for something ridiculous like 30 cents an hour I think picking oranges in Florida when she was in prison?

  112. The United States has the most imprisoned people per capita out of any country

    And privatized prisons benefit from that financially

    Did you know that Latrice Royale worked for something ridiculous like 30 cents an hour I think picking oranges in Florida when she was in prison?

  113. The United States has the most imprisoned people per capita out of any country

    And privatized prisons benefit from that financially

    Did you know that Latrice Royale worked for something ridiculous like 30 cents an hour I think picking oranges in Florida when she was in prison?

  114. I got to hear a lot about the prison system at a fund raiser for the ACLU last Friday

    AND they invited Laverne Cox to do a speech on trans women and how they are wrongly profiled and inhumanely treated in prison.

    So it was really cool to have someone speaking about trans rights in Boise. That doesn't happen often and I got to meet Laverne! Lol

  115. I got to hear a lot about the prison system at a fund raiser for the ACLU last Friday

    AND they invited Laverne Cox to do a speech on trans women and how they are wrongly profiled and inhumanely treated in prison.

    So it was really cool to have someone speaking about trans rights in Boise. That doesn't happen often and I got to meet Laverne! Lol

  116. rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm]
    noun
    1.
    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    The author is operating under an personalized definition of the word and comes off like a fundamentalist Christian explaining how to circumvent logic with faith-based scripture.

  117. Michael Ssali Please go back to Africa

  118. Joshua Young says:

    Sorry Mike, but a black president doesn't mean the end of racism. When middle to upper class, law abiding blacks are no longer followed in retail stores because of the racist stereotypes that the shop owners harbor in their hearts, then MAYBE, we can have a discussion about the end of racism. I would have loved to see a black President mark the end of all forms of racism, but sadly that isn't the case.

  119. the misunderstanding here is people trying to hold on to their archaic idea of racism as just some old white man sitting in a rocking chair on his front porch calling little black kids "Niggers" (which still exists). Racism is institutional and cultural norms that alienate a certain group of people and gives lead way to things such as white supremacy and cultural superiority. This country has bred both black people and white people who are born in small blind communities that pretend racism doesn't exist within its confines while the institutional flaws and individual prejudice still drive methods of discrimination. Discrimination exists because for white people being a "racist" will not impact that persons economic well being as long as they don't do anything to rock the boat the same goes for whites who are not racist. Whites in general benefit from institutional racism its just math if cops are targeting black and Latinos for crimes that makes it easier to get away with petty crimes if your white. Being white means being able to go anywhere and not raising suspicion or being followed, being black means having a thousand assumptions raised about you according to how you wear your hair, clothes, speak, and come off to white people, which means if your not wearing a cultural "uniform" of whiteness your labeled as a "thug" "ignorant" or "poor". Being black means you have to submit to the cultural qualities of whites and leave your own behind so you wont make white people nervous or feel guilty. This country is designed to make whites comfortable despite what happens to othe minority groups. the point is not that black people "cant" be "prejudice" its that it has very little to no affect on white peoples lives AT ALL. but "racism" "prejeduice+institutional power" creates different conditions for may minorities and promotes prejudice in an effort to keep benefiting from racism. Black prejudice is "wrong" yes, all prejudice i wrong, but denying the fact that racism exists and alters the lives of not only blacks but many other minorities is erroneous and ignorant. the real face of racism is in the face of everyone who is fully aware of the cultural stipulations. People think blacks are racist because they actually have to talk about race because it effects us everyday white people may feel like they experienced some prejudice for whatever day or few seconds you like to reference as your big moment of discrimination but when your born as a minority from the moment you are born you are subjected to racism. Im not saying its utterly impossible for blacks to find the cheese in a racist maze, many have, largely by wearing these cultural "uniforms" or appealing to the cultural stereotypes in entertainment but it goes without saying that as a POC it is a prerequisite for you to assimilate and abandon your culture for vastly eurocentric ideals, fashion, and rhetoric for you to get a small part of those privileges reserved and given to whites at birth.

  120. Margaret Crumbley Cable says:

    How many in Congress are white? Do you live in the South? Do you ever scratch your head and wonder why the half

  121. What are you talking about?? are you actually African? do you actually know these people to the point they would share those thoughts with you? Because the Hispanics and Asians I know are well aware of these situations I'm sure you never heard of the Asian Panther Party. you use Asians and Hispanics like its universal but there are still Chinese who dislike Japanese or Koreans, there are colorism issues in the Chinese and Filipino communities because of classism. and Fact is what do you consider black sticking together because in my opinion every time blacks "stick together" or do anything to uplift, inform, or progress other blacks specifically is called out as "racist" by whites because they're not included "Black History Month" and the "NAACP" have been called racist for those very reasons. and idk if your actually from Africa or just don't know much about it but dont get caught up in romanticized African culture like they have some type of continental unity, saying all Africans in Africa stick together means you know little or nothing about African history. and from your statements "forget the reports" is your unwillingness to accept anything outside of your immediate social bubble so to that my friend id say "wake up" and stop pretending to have insight you obviously dont

  122. People think the "only" problem black people have with racism is that it "hurts our feelings" but that's a very small part of it. Its the complacent attitudes and mind states of all of the countrymen that benefit from white supremacy and blindly do nothing about it. The very idea of racism is that whites can lay comfortable in a blanket of ignorance without being negatively affected at all and that's not to make you feel guilty its the truth and blacks don't have the luxury of forgetting that or not being affected by it.

  123. Sam Bussard I'm glad you can use a dictionary, now try using a Sociology book something that's actually made to examine the institutions of culture and society and you may find the definition you DIDN'T try to find. We can sit here and argue and try to catch up the cultural and racially ignorant as to whats going on in their country but i honestly dont feel like its that hard to notice or point out if you care at all about what happens to other people and dont look at everything through your shite "they trying to take whats mine from me" scope which the "whats yours" is White supremacy thats what your defending so hard, on a website for POC

  124. Joshua Young says:

    Margaret Crumbley Cable, not sure who is this addressing. If you're addressing me, then I'll respond with this. I've lived in the south for almost half of my life (8 in GA, 5 in MS) and I know that there are lot of blacks in Congress. That still doesn't change how people truly feel about ethnic group in their hearts, which has always been the root of the problem; the heart. In order to effectively to end racism, all ethnic groups must come to the table to analyze and get rid of stereotypes that unfairly describe all people of a certain skin color or ethnicity. That's my humble opinion.

  125. Margaret Crumbley Cable says:

    Actually I was trying to reply to Tait. And then my phone stopped typing. White males are still the majority in Congress and CEOs. White is the norm in television shows and screens and having one black friend is merely progress from KKK. In the South, one side of town is predominantly black ( and poor). High schools are yin yangs with mostly black on one side and mostly white on the other, and to never actually the hundreds of years of the town's history of cultural separation, is ludicrous. Racism today isn't blind hatred, it's merely a complete lack of acknowledgement and

  126. Margaret Crumbley Cable says:

    Stubbornness. Look at the Republican's party "attempts" to reach out to minorities where the basic conclusion is that African Americans should be reaching out to them.

  127. Margaret Crumbley Cable says:

    Nevermind. My typing is atrocious, and I am not replying correctly.

  128. Has anyone noticed that most of the people who seem to support the assertion that black Americans can't be racist ARE black Americans?

    Just an observation.

  129. John Deiley says:

    Tell me dear sister – who brought them here?

  130. John Deiley Are we related? I can only think of one brother I have. He looked really awesome reading the TORAH on his BAR MITZVAH.

  131. John Deiley says:

    Sarah Jacobs I am an atheist. But thanks for deflecting and answering a question I didn't ask.

  132. 1. "Colorblindness" does not negate cultural values at all. To suggest such a thing is to suggest that people of other color cannot join in with your culture; that is racist. I accept anyone of any color in my culture.

    2. Let us not change the definition of racism to suit our argument. That's a fallacy. Racism has nothing to do with any "systemic institutional power" it is simply about racial prejudice. Anyone can change the definition to suit their argument, it doesn't make them right.
    Further; to say that people of color cannot be racist is, in itself, racist. I am not white, and if someone told me that I can't be racist I would find that racist. To me, they are saying "Only white people can be racist, your people are too stupid to be racist". My culture has worked hard to make sure racism doesn't exist. To say that we can't be racist in the first place is to ignore all of the good work we have done to stop it. After all, what is the point in fighting racism if we can't be racist in the first place?

    But even if we used your (incorrect) definition, in my culture it is not white people who hold power. So does that mean that white people can't be racist in my culture since we are not a Western country? It can work both ways round.

    3. Wealth does not protect anyone from racism, black or white. Regardless, prejudice from those who hold wealth can be just as dangerous as racism.

    4. It doesn't matter what color those you wish to employ are, so long as they are qualified. While I do not agree with blaming the victim, many cultures (including Western cultures) are guilty of accepting victimhood.

    5. No playing field is ever, nor should ever be, level. Everyone is different, not by virtue of their skin color or anything else, but because we are all different. It is unfair to favor one ethnicity with history months or affirmative action. I find such things inappropriate. If someone told me the only reason I had a job was because of affirmative action I would not wish for it. I wish to earn my own way.

    6. Hard work does little in the USA, as your education system requires wealth. Thus, you trap people into a situation where they cannot afford education and so must either be poorly educated or in debt. This effects people of any color.

    7. Why are black people more likely to be arrested for certain crimes than a white person? Someone has to be. White people are arrested more than black people for certain crimes, too. But you cherry picked which one you choose. Someone, of any particular group, is going to do something more or less than others. Nobody is equal, we are all unique. I am sure if you looked at hair color statistic you'd find people of a certain hair color committed more or less crimes than others. Again, not because of their hair color but just because of random chance.

    Yes, there is racism. But it effects everyone. Fight for your rights, but don't claim that others do not suffer. To do so is to discredit others who suffer. This idea that everyone must be equal is a false norm. Nobody is equal, we are all unique.

  133. Alex Frank says:

    Interesting article. However, the massive Harvard study on social mobility found that geography rather than race determined social mobility. Historically black areas have the worst social mobility, but white people in those areas have just as bad a chance of making it as black do. That's not to say racism or prejudice is dead. They still have important implications and discussion is very important. However, the study shoes that other factors have a much stronger influence than race.

    The biggest danger of this kind of article is it seems to argue race is the only important lens. For example, the title of argument seems to imply that someone who is "colorblind" is by default racist. This is a pretty big leap. I would call them naive, but to imply they are an active participant in direct repression (the way the article defines racism) is far too large of a stretch. Race a very simplistic and convenient lens. While still important, it has its limits.

  134. BoBisa Rodriguez says:

    Terrence Holland http://www.notesfromaztlan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/brown-berets-1.jpg
    Hey man, we Chicanos had our own Party too… and we marched right along with the Black Panthers. Our voices are just somehow never as loud, our history so easily silenced, though we are the biggest growing minority in the country. We complained! But now, we are being told that we are just lucky we are not being deported. We are lucky our families get to stay here, if at all. As for mobility, education, incarceration, hell… sometimes I think blacks and latinos are in the same spot as we were when we started marching… But that's even more reason to keep going.

  135. Terrence Holland: I was Born and raised in Africa. And of course I only care about what's in my social bubble. The world is too big for me to be concerned with everything and every person. People need to start feeling the same way too. Charity begins at home. If you continue complaining about what white people do or don't do, you will lose sight of what you can do yourself.

    I never said anything about unity in Africa. All I said is I will go back and I will have unity in my village. You need to realize that it's not about the whole world, it's about village by village or neighborhood by neighborhood. When you have black people living in white neighborhoods, there's no unity there because the white people don't want the black people there in the first place.

  136. BoBisa Rodriguez says:

    1) The concept of "colorblindness" is a cop-out and a way to avoid discussing race. Nobody is saying you cannot be a part of my culture; it's just saying "if you tell me you are color blind you are full of it, because obviously you can see we are different, and my life has been different from yours because of it". Plus, kind of a jerk move if someone looks me in the face and tries to tell me "I'm colorblind! We are no different!" Uh, no. We are HELLA different, and I like that we are.

    2) "Prejudice" and "racism" mean two different things–close, but not the same. The fact that people on this comment board can't get over that is mind boggling to me, but alright. Certainly, people of color can be PREJUDICED, and they are, frequently; to one another, against, white people, against their OWN people (sometimes more than anyone). But racism is by definition institutional and top down. If in your culture it is not white people holding power, then whomever is in POWER would be the one wielding the sword and directing the structure of oppression, be it based on skin color, bone structure, eye shape, etc. HOWEVER, given Eurocentric standards of beauty and the pervasiveness of capitalism, I would say that the pervasiveness of Western idealism has shown that White is might = right.

    3) Well, duh. But one thing a white person has is the ability to blend. Think Great Gatsby syndrome. Could a black man ever get on a old white man's boat, sail the world with him, learn all his tricks and fancy talk, and when he dies, inherit all his fancy shit and blend in with his high society people like ain't no thang? GTFO.

    4) See number 3.

    5) But that's the GREAT AMERICAN DREAM! You might as well tell people to stop coming here! Oh, wait. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/24/arizona-lawmakers-say-will-build-border-fence/

  137. Thank you for your reply.

    1. The difference is that I accept your differences based on who you are, not what you are. Skin color does not define you, your personality does. I am colorblind so we are no different in our humanity, but we are still different in our individual ability and personhood.

    2. Someone in power does wield the sword, but they can use it to do far worse things than be racist. I trust that my monarch and his officers are moral and not corrupt. Racism is individual, power can help you enact your racist beliefs but it is not required to be racist. I can be racist without power, just as anyone can. One last comment; we have no Western idealism. We reject most Western beliefs (we are against democracy, against rule of law, against capitalism, etc.).

    3. I see no reason why not. What is fancy talk? I speak with correct grammar because I was educated to in my academy. Does that make me fancy or just formal? I speak far better than a white “Redneck” does, it all depends on your education. And again, it all depends on where that boat sails. Many nations are very unwelcoming to white people, especially in Arabia or Asia.

    As for 5. I would never wish to live in the USA. As I said in 2. I reject many of their ideals. ^^;

  138. Sam Bussard says:

    Terrence Holland I dont know about you but my sociology book defines what you are referring to as institutional racism, social racism, or economic racism (i.e systemic racism). I was defining the root word racism. Something the author did incorrectly. Defining a word does not make me a "White Supremacist" as you so eloquently put it. Nice try though. Disagreeing with something does not make me a "Good ol' boy" either.

  139. Sam Bussard says:

    BoBisa Rodriguez You're absolutely right! Racism and prejudice do mean two different things. Racism is a form of prejudice in the form of prejudging someone based off of their skin color or ethnicity…

  140. Hmm…how does that saying go again? "The more things change, the more they stay the same." We're going back to Jim Crow. But this time it will be much more sophisticated and will make us look like the ungrateful complainers. Right? I don't usually subscribe to conservative ideologies, but one thing that I do know is that good working class black people better take advantage of their 2nd Amendement rights. If we don't, we will be annihilated. American society has never been for black people ever. Protect your homes becaise the police for damn sure don't give a hoot about your livelihood.

  141. Sam Bussard says:

    Adam White I did say that and that is a very basic definition given by just about any and every dictionary you can find. I think what you are referring to as well as the author is systemic racism, social racism, or economic racism. Although similar they are different. Just as being racist is a form of being prejudice, so to is systemic racism a form of racism. The thread started with the redefining of the word racist. I was trying to help with that, not define all of the sub-genres of racism.

  142. I thought that I was the only one who saw his racism definition as "unique"

  143. Mnemosyne Vermont Âû says:

    White man nobody knows goes in a ice cream shop in a Black neighborhood, gets waited on last, hassled. Racism. It goes all ways.

  144. Sam Bussard I wasn't calling you a white supremacist just that your lack of knowledge and misguided reinforcement of complacency is part of the factors that allow white supremacy to continue, you chose to discredit an article using terminology you don't understand enough yourself without doing the necessary research yourself. I never said the word "supremacist" so idk how you derived that from my statement. and I was also speaking in general terms which you chose to interpret as an attack instead of learning from it, your obviously a lost cause and wont /didnt learn anything from the reaction generated by your ignorance, your lack of understanding, or this article.

  145. Mohammed Shakur says:

    Sam Bussard Racism isnt as simple as y'all think it is. It deals mostly with power, through social, economic and political ties. For example, whites impose their power of "whites are superior" through social means(white standards of beauty, little to no positive images of blacks, enslavement, segregation and apartheid), economic(purchasing land, owning businesses and funneling monies into things thats beneficial to one but detrimental to others) and lastly political(laws created to disenfranchise a people, racial profiling and establishing institutions). And it all started with prejudices against blacks and had the necessary tools to back up these prejudices.

    With that said, how can we impose a black standard of beauty? How can we create laws to disenfranchise whites? Where are the institutions to stop whites from "rising?" But more importantly, how can we enforce the myth of Black Supremacy?

  146. Mohammed Shakur says:

    And who wrote the dictionary? Whites.

  147. Sam Bussard says:

    Terrence Holland You are in fact and i quote "dont look at everything through your shite "they trying to take whats mine from me" scope which the "whats yours" is White supremacy thats what your defending so hard" saying that I am defending white supremacy (i.e agreeing/supporting) So yes you are inferring that I am. Maybe if you actually knew how to iterate your point without insulting/degrading someone, and actually knew how to write a coherent non-run on sentence I could try to garner what it is exactly that you are trying to "teach". You don't know anything about me so stating that i am misguided or that I am complacent in the way things are couldn't be farther from the truth. Your response is so anger filled I am surprised I even understand where you are coming from. Calling someone a "lost cause" because they do not share your interpreted definition of something seems rather belittling and ignorant. I get the sense that your are more into exclusion than inclusion. I am here to discuss what I feel to be a problem with they way our society works and how we can change that to better represent all of us.

    By saying the I am "obviously a lost cause and wont /didnt learn anything from the reaction generated by your ignorance, your lack of understanding, or this article" you have obviously missed the point I was trying to make. I obviously read the article because I was interested in the topic. It wasn't a need jerk reaction for me to read it and poke holes in it. I do however thing that topics such as this need to be accurate. So lets call things what they are and stop trying to segregate everyone.

  148. BoBisa Rodriguez says:

    Mez Kitsu Mr. Kitsu, obviously you are unfamiliar with American racial politics. And an American novel, the Great Gatsby, where a mysterious, smooth talking young man with enormous wealth comes and takes a port town by storm.

    And I take umbrage with your most central point–that YOUR opinion, and how YOU approach an individual, is what matters most. That skin color doesn't matter to you, only character, and that's how you as an individual see it. Because fundamentally, it is not what a single individual does, because it doesn't matter anymore than what a single drop in the ocean does vs. the rest of the sea.

    What matters is what society as a whole does. As long as all of society collectively imprisons more men of color, collectively refuses to promote or hire more people of color in spite of equal qualifications, collectively denies people of color opportunities to education then chastises them for needing government assistance, then collectively continues to tell PEOPLE OF COLOR that it's OUR fault for not being MODEL MINORITIES–it does not matter what a single individual thinks about skin color, does it?

    Now, do you really believe that there are far worse things that a society could do than be racist? Certainly there are worse things they could do. There are worse things they are doing–our leaders are corrupt. Our own government spies on us. Let them. They should know. Because I am angry. I am angry that after 500 years of my people's conquest on their own land, after struggling and straining to get the best education I could, I am given the most meager earnings and the least prominent positions. And still being told, "Go back where you came from!" when I was born here.

    And as for your argument that the education system is unfair but is unfair to everyone of all colors, certainly true, but this is ESPECIALLY true for people of color who are more likely to be in poverty, or near it, than whites. Disproportionately so. Even when they are not poor, once in higher education, they face issues of ostracism from peers, isolation. First generation students also often lack social capital to forge connections to make lasting or significant partnerships that would benefit them in a post collegiate setting and help them get jobs or internships (MANY STUDENTS OF COLOR IN COLLEGE ARE FIRST GENS).

  149. LittleDead GirlUndead says:

    does anyone else notice all the hatred and racism going on on this message board. Although i do agree with most of what is said in the article the biggest discussion that is going on here is about the definition of racism. i dont understand how disagreeing with the authors definition makes someone racist. i personally think the definition is wrong. but rather that focus on how we can improve the situation (like posting links to orgs that promote change) people sit here and play the victim. oh no john doe must hate black people because he thinks they can be racist too. i have faced racism my entire life from all shades of people and because of it i spend most of my time helping my community. trying to better the situation for not only my people but for all that need it. the reality is whether you believe you are racist or only prejudice because of your skin color doesnt matter. the fact that you discriminate at all makes you an ass hole be you black, white, mexican, asian, etc. i am not "color blind", i am not ignorant, and i am most definitely not tolerant of irrational and unreasonable hatred.

  150. Alexandra Signorile-Côté says:

    A word to my fellow white people: stop whitesplaining. Seriously, just fucking stop. Stop and actually listen to what's being said. Surely you can check your privilege enough to do that much. Being in a place of race privilege (and yes we are privileged as whites; don't be an asshole and try to deny it) means you don't get to tell groups who don't share that privilege what is and isn't racism. Shut up and listen.

  151. Michael Ssali I’m an Asian who complains about racism. Or to be more accurate, I fight it wherever I see it. I don’t see the unity you speak of, unfortunately. Even among the Chinese alone you get southerners who don’t like northerners—and this relates to where they might have come from generations ago. I don’t think we are any better than any other minority when it comes to sticking together.

  152. Jack Yan: That's sad in your case but it's generally not the case where I live. There are Chinese restaurants and stores on pretty much every street here where I live and I am yet to see or hear any Asians complaining about what white people do to them. I have only heard black people complain about white people. The Asians I know are too busy living their lives to be concerned with white people. I'm not arguing about conflicts within the same ethnic group. What I am saying, however, is that other ethnic groups don't sit and complain about what white people do to them the same way black people do all the time.

  153. Michael Ssali Believe me, we do complain about racism from whites—I just did so on another thread coincidentally (!)—but maybe it is not voiced as much between Asians and blacks where you are?

  154. Margaret Eva Elizabeth Faye says:

    Hi, no, racism does not = racial prejudice + systemic institutional power. That would be racial oppression. Prejudice is an unfounded bias against something or someone. Racism is a prejudice against people that focuses on race. While both racism and racial oppression are terrible things, you do not get to redefine the English language to suit your pedantic social justice arguments.

  155. As a disabled person I am quite offended by your misuse of the term colourblind

  156. you can;t understand racism if you only talk about it from an interpersonal perspective. you must think systemically to understand what racism truly is

  157. Mohammed Shakur

    THE dictionary….really?!?!?
    The one and only dictionary?
    No non-whites have taken part in writing a dictionary?
    Do you recommend an entirely non-white written dictionary?
    How do you figure it would be different?

  158. This article is absolutely ridiculous.

  159. Nadine Gizak says:

    YES! Very simply, the oppressed cannot oppress their oppressors. Racism is a social construct based on hierarchy.

  160. Mohammed Shakur says:

    Matt Sandine Good looks sharing the video.

  161. Mohammed Shakur says:

    Thomas Rasmus Ruhdi Heiberg Any legitimate dictionary you can think of will not be used for the simple fact is it's brings alot of ugly truths. You fail to realize that when a people is in a position of power, they can create any and everything as well as set the bar a certain way and because the larger group cannot back up their rebuttal, it is considered factual information. For example: Texas is planning to(if not, then already) changed their curriculum within the history department. That means there was no such thing as enslavement here in AmeriKKKa. My ancestors were "unpaid interns." Why did the Texas Board of Education change the curriculum? "Because the forefathers of this land were God-fearing Christians. So to say that they enslaved another group of people is a smudge on their character that shouldnt be there."

    With that said, if every state government decided to change the history curriculum in the same manner as Texas, they can do it REGARDLESS of petitions.

  162. i guess equal isnt good enough

  163. Saying black people can't be racist is just as stupid as feminists claiming that misandry doesn't exist.
    Hate is hate, no matter who is directing it at who.

    Now personally I think there are small differences between the races, stereotypes come from somewhere. And I also think men and women are different.
    Some will call me both racist and sexist for that, and I really don't give a fuck.

    Now that in no way means that I don't think everyone should have the same opportunities, or that giving some people a helping hand is a good idea.
    But I am very much against "positive discrimination".
    Discrimination is discrimination.

    In my country we have free education (mostly), and you get money from the state to live off while you study (though it can be hard to stretch), free health care, minimum wages around 18-22$ depending on your union.
    And I happily pay my taxes so this is possible.
    Those are good ways to give people a chance to make something of themselves, if they want. And you aren't forced into debt that you will spend much of your life paying off.

    There are varying degrees of racism, and you change this by fighting ignorance.
    By people getting to know each other. Unless of course the people you get to know are assholes.
    Chris Rock has done more to positively change the opinion of black people than most, and I doubt he was even trying.
    "positive discrimination" does the opposite.

  164. I have read a lot of responses, many have a great point of view. What comes to mind is to use the term "racial oppression" in certain circumstances to define the many definitions of racism in the responses. The difference between not liking another group of people ( racist) and controlling a group of people based on race (racial oppression). I have learned a lot from the many points of view. Thank you, and keep expressing!!

  165. sooo black people cant be racist? only white people can? that must be why high school was so easy at my mostly black school. so so easy

  166. Sam Bussard It's funny. because here's the thing:

    If I wanted to know about, say, carrots, I could look the definition up in the dictionary.
    Car-rot, (noun)
    1. a tapering orange-colored root eaten as a vegetable.

    Ok, so that is a basic summary of a carrot. But if I really want to know about Carrots, would stop at a dictionary? No, I'd go to farming almanacs and look up growing seasons and encyclopedia entries and talk to people who farm them and maybe plant some of my own. I could become a damn expert in carrots. I'd learn about the domestication of the plant and its relatives, where it came from, and how it formed to be what it is today. And then I look back at that definition, wouldn't that definition be lacking? An inadequate, basic and rather juvenile definition made by people who do not know as much about carrots as you do?

    Keep in mind, dictionaries are only as good as the people who write them. The dictionary is not an academic text or study, and the dictionary was written and continues to be monitored largely by white men.

    What I'm trying to say is, stop sourcing the fucking dictionary. My high school English teacher would have my hide if tried to pull something as stupid as that. It exhibits the lack of any critical thought whatsoever. Holy shit.

    If you really wanted to learn what racism is, Sam, you'd be talking to social anthropologists, historians, or, hey, people who actually experience racism daily. You'd be visiting PoC-run education-based blogs or reading accounts of the black men found lynched in the last 10 years. You;d be taking classes on race and gender or taking anthropology courses. You'd read about Malcom X or the American Indian Movement or ANYTHING on Civil Rights Era politics other than chapter 8 of your 5th grade textbook. You'd be actually fucking googling ANYTHING, LITERALLY ANYTHING other than "define racism" into your search bar.

    The dictionary is not infallible and is not a good resource when held up to scrutiny. Try harder.

    ALSO: I think it is incorrect to say that PoC can't be racist. I think it is more accurate to say that marginalized groups can not act as an oppressor towards the privileged group. For example, can African Americans be racist towards Native Americans and their culture? Yeah. Vice versa? Yeah. Can PoC have a lot of internalized racism they have to deal with that is almost inherent when growing up in a society that idolizes whiteness and white standards of beauty? Yeah, it's possible, and pretty (beyond) fucked up (not to mention common. In the same vein, gay people can have internalized homophobia, women can be misogynists, all that awful stuff that makes you cringe.)

  167. Tanisha Waggoner says:

    Wonderfully said, thank you.

  168. My psychology book says: "Racism: (1) An individual's prejudicial attitudes and discriminatory behavior toward people of a given race, or (2) institutional practices (even if not motivated by prejudice) that subordinate people of a given race."

    So, clearly, there are two meanings of the word. In the first meaning, members of a privileged group can experience racism. In the second meaning, members of a privileged group can not experience racism. I don't see what this definition war is supposed to achieve, though. If people of a privileged group meet prejudice, it surely will not have the same consequences for them as for people of an underprivileged group. Whatever one finally decide that the word means, it will not change anything. Words don't change anything by themselves.

  169. My psychology book says: "Racism: (1) An individual's prejudicial attitudes and discriminatory behavior toward people of a given race, or (2) institutional practices (even if not motivated by prejudice) that subordinate people of a given race."

    So, clearly, there are two meanings of the word. In the first meaning, members of a privileged group can experience racism. In the second meaning, members of a privileged group can not experience racism. I don't see what this definition war is supposed to achieve, though. If people of a privileged group meet prejudice, it surely will not have the same consequences for them as for people of an underprivileged group. Whatever one finally decide that the word means, it will not change anything. Words don't change anything by themselves.

  170. Mohammed Shakur

    Teaching untrue history is vile, but a dictionary doesn't teach history.
    It gives you definitions of words.
    Now I agree that there may be a problem with dictionaries reflecting popular usage, but they are the main tool to know what words mean.
    Without that, communication is hopeless.

    But we can debate the meaning of words to some degree, so if you disagree with a definition, and you can put forth a good argument for a different definition, you should go ahead and do it.

    But tossing out dictionaries altogether, is just nonsense.
    You may as well demand the creation of a new language.

  171. Mohammed Shakur says:

    Thomas Rasmus Ruhdi Heiberg Dictionaries do, to some degree. It gives a basic etymology as well as quick back story on how the word came about. Some words dont do that, however.

    And concerning racism. there are plenty of white and black sociologists that studied racism and have all agreed that only whites can be racist and prejudice. So technically, blacks cannot be prejudiced towards whites because their track record speaks for itself.

  172. The part of the article I will agree with is the colorblind nonsense.
    I understand what people try to say when they say those things, but it is political correctness to a degree that is offensive. But then I generally find political correctness offensive.

    See people for who they are, and acknowledge that.
    Even treat them differently because of that.
    Just don't treat them worse, or have animosity towards them, without good reason.
    Color doesn't matter, but it's still there.

    What matters is that there are good people and bad people(and many in-between).

  173. Koko Cabana says:

    Thanks for this. We white people definitely need to understand these points better ourselves so that when it comes up in conversation, we're not caught completely off guard and can discuss it intelligently, hopefully opening some eyes along the way.

  174. Up until tonight I would argue with the mike johnsons and Sam Bussards of the world but I realize now its no use they will argue a wrong pointlike the definition of "racism" til the end and tribalize and get other wrong folk to agree with them til they feel their right because its easier to deny the disparities, the systemic, institutional racism they are a party to then to work collectively to make sure all americans have equal footing.

  175. Up until tonight I would argue with the mike johnsons and Sam Bussards of the world but I realize now its no use they will argue a wrong pointlike the definition of "racism" til the end and tribalize and get other wrong folk to agree with them til they feel their right because its easier to deny the disparities, the systemic, institutional racism they are a party to then to work collectively to make sure all americans have equal footing.

  176. Up until tonight I would argue with the mike johnsons and Sam Bussards of the world but I realize now its no use they will argue a wrong pointlike the definition of "racism" til the end and tribalize and get other wrong folk to agree with them til they feel their right because its easier to deny the disparities, the systemic, institutional racism they are a party to then to work collectively to make sure all americans have equal footing.

  177. Up until tonight I would argue with the mike johnsons and Sam Bussards of the world but I realize now its no use they will argue a wrong pointlike the definition of "racism" til the end and tribalize and get other wrong folk to agree with them til they feel their right because its easier to deny the disparities, the systemic, institutional racism they are a party to then to work collectively to make sure all americans have equal footing.

  178. Mohammed Shakur says:

    Thomas Rasmus Ruhdi Heiberg Can you prove it?

  179. Ellie Ana Komoda says:

    I'm not a black American and I agree that Black Americans can't be racist.

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