Atlanta Black Star
News and Empowering Narratives to Change Our World
Video by PBS
Unless & until whites are willing to admit that there is a system of white skin privilege in place that they ALL benefit from–whether their ancestors came here on the mayflower or whether they came thru ellis island or AFTER..then this young brotha & others like him, who make very valid points, is talking to a brick wall.
I would've liked to have seen this whole exchange.
You can not build a new improve house with the same blue print.
they should post the links but i think its more about getting us to their site. 🙂 her ya go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bhJ2qWzFo8
those very same white supremacist who claim to be innocent of the evil actions of the slavers and the 400 years of lynching and opression of Black people in Amurderkkka, seek to blame all Muslims for the actions of one.
The white need to stop being paranoid, and recognize the system of white supremacy was created for people who looks like him, and his system is the problem. Maybe we should say white supremacy did this, that way he cannot have an out, if he opens his mouth all he need to be told, is you are a member of the system that did this to us, and it goes back hundreds of years, long before he was on the scene, but yet, fast forward he is part of the system so he does not have an out about what he indirectly did. If he wish to claim what he is saying, let us also hear him say he supports reparations. Speak for our rights we are still denied, help us to gain black economics so that we can move forward. People like him they should not allow him to speak, because I feel he is bulls……. talking about he had nothing to do with us being held.
Nzingha Shabaka thats exactly what i meant black people are disadvantaged within the context of a society dominated by white supremacists being black holds you back in racist society because white people hold them back i was using that comparison to show that there is a racist system in place holding back people of color
Well I sure am mad at that devil, killerman and can't wait for his tail to get what he's got coming to him!!!
So, what rights are you being denied? I guess I will never understand why I see you as an equal and you see me as an oppressor.
Deva Houston your right about that thank yu for the link 🙂
Todd Leonard A question like yours, does not warrant a response, because you will not see, understand or agree. I will say,this, your own USSC said, in the early 1800, blacks have no rights whites are bond to respect. Look at the prison system, look at blacks overall condition. Don't tell me we are using being held as slaves, post slavery conditions, that includes Jim Crow, but we never had the help or breaks that whites had when the country first got started, and after, blacks got nothing, we broke out, with nothing on our backs but rags, and were told go for what you know, or die. Please don' t ask me what whites got, I have said it a hundred times, I will say it again, they got free land, set asides, affrimitive actions, I could go on and on. Yes some individuals are oppressors, but your system you belong is the oppressor, you don't see that, therefore you don't speak about it, from your question, even if you did you will not speak about, you don't bite the hand that keep you on top.
If we wont it to change, we need to stop talking about it!…….Stop addressing humans as "Black and White"…..If we cant do this, it will NEVER go away. Discussing it will accomplish nothing!
She is counterproductive and part of the problem….
System System System System, sounds more like, excuses excuses excuses excuses !….. P-Diddy aint complaining!
white people there's two sides to oppression!.. the winning side and the losing side, with the winning side being just as sheltered as the losing side! With the winning side being unable to see the tactics used to oppress the losing side!!!
Right on Morgan!
so you want division?….that explains a lot
Smh….white peoples inability to see how black people were oppressed and still are is amazing!…just because slavery has been abolished doesn't mean nothing nothing has changed your government wants division!!!…and a few successful blacks can compare to the millions that don't have an opportunity or a fair chance!…
Kerric Reeves That's total BS…..what opportunity do I have that you don't???? please!……If you want to continue to trip over what's behind you, go right ahead……You are a poor example of how to solve the issue, the fact that you think people are ignorant because of the color they are, your a fool. Ignorance comes in all colors! ….your a relic and Dr MLK would be appalled at your Agenda. Your no different than any other racist. ……. And a country divided against itself can not stand, and as long as ou continue to think irrationally, we will continue to be divided. Yes, I say "YOU"…..you are part of the problem, your color is irrelevant to me.
Proof!…yet you will dismiss it and ignore
The truth is many White People(NOT ALL) And many people of other races(Not all) are afraid to realize that there is a real Racial problem in this country! So they tend to find a reason for what is happening! they Dont want to see race as a factor so they look for something else to explain it! Look at it this way…Have you ever had someone you know the same age as you the same type of lifestyle and even body type die from a heart attack! And to yourself you say it happened because that person did something wrong in his life like well he smoked or he ate the wrong foods. As a way to help yourself understand why he died! It the same syndrome for many of these people they dont want to admit what is really going on because it means it could sooner or later affect them!!
Proof!…yet y'all(Whites) will still dismiss it ignore it and blame us for not getting over it which is purely ridiculous!!!…
That only proves my point, "REVOLUTION"?????…..lol….ridiculous! How does being racist prevent racism?….lol what a joke!….you didn't answer my question, what opportunities do I have that you don't?
You are exactly right!
Kerric Reeves You act like African Americans were the only oppressed…..what about Jews?……what about the current "white" slaves in Africa?……..See, you don't defend against racism, you defend against "WHITES"
Lmao!…you are hilarious, not wasting anymore of my time
Good, please don't!……But if you really want to make a difference, Open your mind… How can credence to the problem help solve the problem???……It cant!……..we have to stand together as a people (Humans) and stand together side by side and set an example of how to be. I know for a fact that bringing up the past and giving notice to present ignorance' will NEVER solve any issues. As long as we continue to address the problem instead of addressing the solution, the problem will continue to exist. Color does not determine ignorance, its your mindset that fails you. As a man thinks, so is he!…….What we say DOES NOT MATTER, what we "DO" is what will make all the difference in the world….Good luck to ya!
Kerric Reeves "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."…..'We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools."
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Why do we even care what white people think? We do not owe them an explanation – they are familiar with their history. If they desire to speak up against slavery and its legacy they are free to do so. Our concern should be unifying our people globally – We have had this conversation with white folks since forever, time to move on and build our communities. What is the plan?
Of course you never answered my question, because no is NO answer!
So tired of hearing weak people crying about the lack of fairness in life and blaming it ALL on race. You want an equal country where everyone looks the same then by all means find one but I can tell you that it aint in Africa! There are poor people everywhere and some of yall got it twisted that someone should be making life easier for you even as the majority of people are NOT hard workers, are not risk takers, are not thirsty for education, do not have a moral entegrity. Humans are flawed and the worst thing is for you to Co Stanly blame those flaws on others. White folks have their problems and black have theirs just like every otherrace, ethnic group or culture in this world. There are plenty of successful and productive time black people in this world who made something out of their lives through HARD WORK AND DEDICATION. Yes we have to work harder than the majority but so the heck what?!? When I start a company of course my family will work always get benefits at my company than othera. This is the way of life and it is quite disengenuios for SOMEONE weak black folks to see that as good when it benefits them but a crime against humanity when it doesnt. BET was slang in the thug, gangsta image well before anyone else! In fact MTV used to ban those artists that had this image and we got all worked up talking about freedom of speech and anti-censorship! Well guess what? Those chickens have come home cause now all we have in our entertainment culture is degredation, objectification, romantic of crime and a disdain for education. The rise of the nigga was a self inflicted wound on the black community by the black community in America. Now we want to blame the doctor for not healing us fast enough. That is garbage!
Deva Houston you are real MVP *claps*
Black people, stop trying to convince white folks that white supremacy is the problem, because they will not change, it benefits them. Why should they change? If anything, when they come on this site, entertain them to see them play out the white supremacy playbook. If you're not sure what that is, pay attention to the white guy in this video, he went to the white supremacy playbook using deception via obfuscation, deflection and finally he becomes the victim. Amazing, it never fails. White folks are with a doubt codified.
What the Hell is this…No reason for this….OPSEC!
Tac AudioVideo i get where your coming from but the problem is people with your mindset the mindset of most white people that reduces racism to a two way street where anyone can be racist and experience racism. Its not a two way street and never has been in order to fix racism we need to embrace multiculturalism we need to embrace our different ethnic backgrounds instead of trying to deny their existence like you are doing. "discussing it will accomplish nothing" white people have been saying this since the first call for civil rights came up and if we had listened to them blacks would still not be allowed to vote and would still be discriminated against we need to talk about this… actually people already are talking about this black people because they experience racism daily and if you want to be part of the solution and not part of the problem you will respectfully listen to them and their experiences.
Colorblindness is not the answer because the color of you skin still effects your quality of life in the us. Blacks are still seen as inherently criminal and violent and stupid. White people are seen as default as normal as the average human being we are given the benefit of the doubt and our faults are never attributed to our skin color. Take a deep breath and try to understand where black people are coming from.
Stephen Hamby Being born black damn sure is not a disadvantage, born black means you will be in a world control by a system that only caters to white people, and misuse people of color to have this system. It is an insult to tell me I am at a disadvantage to be born black. I was born first, and the creator gave me all the riches me and my people need, but then those members of the white supremacy system came and destroyed what the creator gave us. You know what they did. I am really going easy on you for making such a nonsense statement. Putting black people down. The only disadvantage is being born under white supremacy, and one day the hammer of justice will fall.
Where is the rest of this?
STEPHEN HAMBY First of all, I grew up in Newark NJ, second of all, Im not at all a Liberal, Third of all, my wife is Cape Verde……..SO please tell me what advantages I have over you????…….. My wife was a very successful women before we even met so your way of thinking is what is keeping you from understanding reality. Dont You begin to think you have me figured out, because you don't !!! ANd me being blind to skin color is what keeps me from making redonculous comments like you! ….And where in the world did you get the idea that I deny racism????…… Im just simply handling racism the way it should be handled, "SHUT UP ABOUT IT"…. Your so foolish, you think the definition of racism is "White against Black"..STUPID!….. Ignorance has no color or face. You are no different than any other racist, you ARE the problem. Oppression is a choice! Get off your rear end and do something and stop blaming another persons skin color for your struggles, or whoever! …SMH….Unbelievable
Stephen Hamby kudos!
Unfortunately, paranoia is inherit in human nature. It is a trait we all need to throw away, though the white community especially suffers this. I blame european culture – it is, itself, historically violent.
I agree with both sides its not a black problem its a people problem black and white cops kill black people and more blacks kill blacks than any thing so yeah blacks have to look in the mirror.
""Whites make up the majority at 59.3% of the US prison population vs. 37.2% of blacks according to latest statistics from the Bureau of Prisons at bop.gov. Whites also committed 69.3 % of total crime in the USA vs. 28.1% of blacks according to the FBI latest crime stats published 2012 , 2013 will be released soon this year.""…..woooee…wait wait, how can this be? because whites are so privileged! lol
you said blacks kill more blacks as if whites dont kill more whites or asians dont kill more asians more than anything so its not just us who have to look in the mirror, everyone do. and everyone need to open their eyes and see that there is a system perfected to keep blacks oppressed.
This is great dialogue.
Todd Leonard – No disrespect to you, but you don't seem to understand how the "system" of racism operates, or, works. We're not talking about individuals, we're talking about an institutionalized system that was put in place long before any of us were born. It doesn't matter when your ancestors came to America from some other country.
Let's look at it like this; Harvard College was founded in 1636, in Cambridge, Massachusetts. It is the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States, and one of the most prestigious in the world. So, after 378 years of existence, you may think that the ethos (system of beliefs) of the institution would have changed. Right?
Well guess what? The basic founding principles and beliefs of Harvard are still entrenched in the institution; its governing body, its faculty, its benefactors, student body, etc. The college/university is still an Ivy League school. The governing tenets of Harvard were set in place long before any of the Harvard principals and students were born; yet, they still defer to the Harvard institutional system set in place almost 400 years ago without questioning the ethos of the system.
To sum it up Todd; this is what the institutional racism system looks like in America. No one is calling "you" a "racist" or an "oppressor"; we're talking about a system that was set in place, just like Harvard's institution of prestige, over 400 years ago. Unfortunately, many people do not understand that systemic racism is a direct effect of what happened all those years ago.
And it's not just what happened over 400 years ago; it's what happened up though the Jim Crow South era, and what has happened since then in our country. It would be helpful for people who don't understand this to do a bit of reading and research. In my opinion, you may come away with a different view of what systemic or institutional racism really means. Again Todd, I mean no disrespect to you, I'm simply trying to give you another way to look at this issue.
lets go back to Africa and build our continent. nature try to show as that this is not our home.
Todd Leonard Wow. That sounds like pure d shit and the awful thing is you might actually believe it. Like fags think that what they do is okay with God.
I hope you guys don't get mad at me when I say I'm biracial. And very high right now …. Boom. Problem solved.
Yea cuz that fixs everything.. And you wonder why you are in the predicament that you are in. Dumbass
You know one thing that kills me about us as a people is. Why are we asking this oppressive mechanism that runs off of its own axis to give us this, change that, or stop doing this. Listen we're not going anywhere with this sort of mentality people, we are the only people who haven't taken what we wanted and needed, we're the only people who wants to be loved and accepted by a people & system that the wants and need you to fail. You don't see any other group of people who don't identify first with their people and then the world. You have people who want to be with people who look, and talk like them. They understand that real power comes from group economics, not race discussions. We should never open up major issues amongst us with everybody, because for one it leaves people who truly can't relate to your reality an objective and or scrupulous opinion that's truly not needed. These are closed door issues that seriously needs to be talked and done about amongst ourselves. I am tired of people letting the murders of our kids become public spectacle, then demean the value of their lives (publicly), with rediculous comments like black on black crimes, and you'll feed into it. You're disrespecting them. You're disrespecting everyone who believed in you, fought for you, and died for you. There's so many dead bodies, trails of tears that non of you really recognize, some of our ancestors had a choice too, they could've cowar, for get along sake. Living a content life. They chosen to sacrifice for their babies, and grand babies, and so on and so on. Our only true freedom from all the ailments is to empower our people economically. There isn't any other way. We tried everything else but that. Group economics is the only answer my people…. Sn… Pay attention to why is it that there is such emense effort to keep you asleep, devided, and lost. It's more than just bigoted prejudice, it's that they see and know what you don't see in yourself and others who look like you. Now picture what position we would been in if most of us where as one. Now do you understand why they set the system up to kill you? ,……………… Empower us all
That's right Marcia Judkins.
How come the Jews can continue to bring up the Holocaust, and they get rewarded with their own country which was taken from another people and given to them, and all kinds of financial reparations, whereas when we as black people bring up slavery we are told, "Why y'all got to go and be bringing that old stuff up again? That was in the past and there's nothing we can do about it now. So move along because there is nothing else to talk about
Todd Leonard – A broken system must be seen by both sides, so it can't be perpetuated. I see this as a parallel to corrupt systems in the corporate world that perpetuates behavior, sexism, and demoralization. Greed can't be the direct blame because you can be profitable without the latter behaviors. The parallel is the same with race. I've witnessed femalez in leadership who refused to see a broken system in the workplace, which led to perpetuated sexism.
A broken system must be seen by both sides, so it can't be perpetuated. I see this as a parallel to corrupt systems in the corporate world that perpetuates behavior, sexism, and demoralization. Greed can't be the direct blame because you can be profitable without the latter behaviors. The parallel is the same with race. I've witnessed females in leadership who refused to see a broken system in the workplace, which led to perpetuated sexism. Awareness with no direct targets can move us forward as a start. Ask yourself, "Are you perpetuating systemized racism, sexism?" Nobody wants to answer "yes" to that.
instead of walking your people into a bloodbath..why not lead them in the direction of Col. Allen West Dr. Ben Carson, MLK (a man who would be sickened if he walked down the majority of MLK streets named in his honor) Condi Rice, Richard Sherman…oh, my bad, playing the victimpuppet to the DNC's benefit is the main goal here…vote me in, vote me in everywhere I run for office and i'll make sure your permanent vote keeps your people on the voters plantation for life….a little food for thought here, silence by the silent majority should never, ever be taking for weakness.
Stop the f**king moaning, and start fighting back, it is time to kill some of these mothers. Talking is not going to do it, you can`t beg for freedom you have to take it. I Quote Rap Brown here, "stop looting and start shooting".
First of all,,, We as people and I mean all people,,,, we have to change our way of thinking ,, because the first word that comes out of our mouth when we see or hear about things of thIs nature is the word racist,,,, when that's not the case,,,,, there is a BIG difference between a racist and someone being PREJUDICE ,,,,, a racist has true hate in his heart and mind for all,,, where as you can be made to be prejudice toward a certain type,,,, you always hear,, I'm not a racist I have black friends that I work with or I go to school with , etc,, But if that same person sees a group of black youth in hoodies,,, they will think,,, oh here comes trouble,,, that's being prejudice,,, and there lies the problem,,,, I mean even with police,,, you can be pulled over,,,, and as a african american you can get treated totally different according to how you dress and speak,,, that a trait that is being taught and it's PREJUDICE.
Nzingha Shabaka, you need to take a breath and read Stephen Hamby's full post and recognize that he was in no way speaking nonsense, nor was he casting dispersions on our race. What he stated is factual and perhaps you did not get the nuance of his use of disadvantaged but he is clearly speaking of our disadvantage in relation to being born under the umbrella of white supremacy. I, for one, applaud his knowledge and perception of what is going on between the races and the empathy he has shown in his posts. Go back and read them from the beginning instead of focusing on one word, and please, lets stop the I was born a king/queen nonsense especially, and this is for another conversation, we have not been displaying those so-called royal traits. Take a look at how we are portrayed and portray ourselves and then lets evaluate our own fault in it.
Bankboy check FBI statistics that fallacy has been proven wrong on multiple levels, White on White crime is just as pervasive if not more so as Black on Black, its just not televised as such.
Bullshit, you can't ask someone to have a better mindset about who you are until you become the person you want everybody to see. Stop asking white people to do anything and do it yourself. That shit about slavery and systems is tired and weak. There is no system stopping blacks from going to the library, there is no system stopping black from saving money and rebuilding the community, there is no system making black men degrade and disrespect black women instead of lifting them up, There was no system stopping a town that was 86% black from voting and electing black officials. Tired of that same sad story wake up Black America not (African American) Because that's bullshit too! #WEALTHANDECONOMICS HAVENOCOLOR.
The system is fundamentally flawed. You could elect a black man into office, and nothing would change. He would be corrupted by the position just like everyone else has been. How could this person accurately represent white people. The main problem with electing a person to represent you is that particular individual's best interest will be upheld before the best interests of the group. Every. Single. Time. If you want to have your voice heard, you need to change the system so that everyone's opinion matters. How do you do that? Obviously with less people, you won't ever win a majority vote. So what do you do?
Stephen Hamby , if you think that I am a white liberal, you are absolutely incorrect. I am about as conservative as they come. I am as conservative as Tim Scott, Allen West and Herman Cain. As you can see from my picture, you did get one thing correct, I am white. Sometimes I turn red if I get too much sun. I thank some of you for the respectful responses. Myrna S. Leonard (probably not related, lol), good comment.
I will ask again, what rights are being denied to Americans with darker skin than mine? Someone mentioned Harvard. Does Harvard discriminate on the basis of skin color? What evidence do you have of that? Are there no "black" people in Harvard? I am white, and with all my so-called "white privilege", I could not get into Harvard.
So blame george zimmerman and others, blame the individuals by name. Not the society or "system".
wow..where to start here. Ok, the Jews (your view stated) here's another.
Now, let's look at what they did with their country in the short time between 1948 and now (modern Israel). They have done more in those years than the combined Arab world did in 5,000, and they can't blame anything on whitey.
Lot of references to Africa on this thread. Well, name 1….1 African led country that is not infested with civil warstrife, diseases, DetroitChicago type violence or worse (Rawanda, Congo, Liberia, Unganda, etc.)
Most non-ignorant people agree that slavery happened along with the horrible way they were treated, and that includes after slavery was abolished with the lynchings that took place in parts of the South.
Now have you ever seen pictures of the some of the MILLIONS of jews that were piled stories high after been gassed in the Nazi ovens???? Seems that their modern day relatives haven't forgotten but they also did move on, BECAUSE NOT MOVING ON KEEPS THEM IMPRISONED TO THE PAST!!!
Let's cut the crap here,
1. REPARATIONS ARE A MYTH – consider 10 trillion dollars (in the form of dozens of social programs) dating back to LBJ paid in full.
2. re-read #1…
3. Blacks make up a little more than %14 of the population..understand what this REALLY means when it comes to what the upper powers whether it be in US Gov't or the private sector will allowed to be taken away from them.
4. Obama lived a "white" privileged life, in other words he or his wife doesn't have any idea on what being "down with cause" means. That's why the black community is worse off..way worse off now than 6 years ago when he took office.
5. Right or wrong…again Right or wrong thinking…people have little patience for whining and even less having the race card being every 2nd card in a standard full deck. Thanks to professional race hustlers REV Al Sharpton and his crew for wearing that one out.
6. Question..I've never been hired by a poor person.have you?
And lastly, since we hear daily if not hourly about how bad the white man is, for kicks how about taking some time and see if we can think of something good nasty old white men like myself have done
-could be the old white surgeon who is usually the last face we see when our life or a family members life is on the line, or the FACT that 90% of all inventions, medical cures, and pretty much anything the world enjoys can be credited to the nasty old white man. Maybe, just Maybe if a little appreciated can be seen or hell, a knockout game victim not being white for a change, maybe we can somehow meet halfway on things in this crazy world, but ordering a majority of one race to change the way do things by say "You NEED to,…" or " You HAVE to_____" because WE said so will NEVER work.
You are not born racist, you develop these traits from the multiple individuals that raise you and multiple individuals that eventually become your friend. Race is a social construct and genetically speaking we are literally the same, Human.
I don't see anything ignorant about what this "white man" said. I understand the points being made by Philip, it's a system that is messed up, but I also see the points of this white man who made it about race. I'm tired of this because he's white, or black or blue or red. Every race/ heritage has gone through something. I read these comments abouts bringing slavery up as if a white man was never a slave. A Latino man. I'm Latino and we were slaves too. I agree with Philip that our system is wrong no matter rave. He even said "some black are worse than white." but don't state comments about race because this issue is about the system.
Ignorance is a White Privilege that I cannot afford to support. The harsh reality is that our lives are in danger but it doesn't matter if I am having a conversation on Facebook, CNN, in line at Starbucks, a town hall meeting or on MTA there is always a Caucasian that makes it about them! My head is going to explode if I have to define racism for another white person, white people need to realize they are NOT victims. There's nothing wrong with being white, they cannot help being born white any more than I can help being born black but they do have a choice to live in denial, to work with me or to work against me. I know my enemies and I could give a damn if their feelings get hurt because my frustration with racial oppression rocks the foundation of the comfortable life they've grown accustomed to.
Todd Leonard I'm going to give you just one simple example. When I was job searching a while back, I asked one of my "white" female friends to apply to the exact same places I was applying to, with almost the exact same resume, the only difference being that mine had my college degree on it and hers didn't. Need I mention how many callbacks she got versus mine even though I had more education listed on my resume? And I believe the person was using Harvard as a tool to compare the implanted institutional rules/values that have been set for centuries as opposed to discrimination.
Stefani Ferragamo , I have experienced a similar situation. I was out of work for 2 years. I probably applied for around 50+ jobs. I have an engineering degree and a professional engineering license. I received two job offers (one was only because my brother in law was the supervisor). The job market sucks right now, period, especially for those of us with a higher education. I was told several times that I was overqualified. The employers did not want to invest their time and money to train me only to have me leave when something "better" came along. Maybe, you were experiencing the same thing, I don't know. Not everything is about skin color.
Still no answer to my original question. What rights are being denied to "black" Americans?
Someone, please tell me these so called rules/values at Harvard that discriminate against black people.
I am not trying to be argumentative, but some people throw out sweeping generalizations, but cannot back it up with facts.
The problem is that white people need to unserstand is that africans were stolen kidnap and brought here as slaves and forced to work against our will promise after slavery to be taken back to af4ica but later told we need money and boats to secure our own return more like hiw the govt acts now create a harsh situation and give us options yhat makes it easier in alk actually we along with the knowledge gathered from indians to help better our living truth be told if i take the time to do so searching all the white man did was kearn from minorities of colored peopke to learn how to survive so all the racist terms now and thing coming about u needed us more than ew
we needed u so whose is the weakest link ova 1000 yrs later sad
Truth be told we are all visitors if we had the opportunity to go back where we orginated the us would be colorful the indians where here first
True about being stolen kidnapped etc.,..but why is there never any mention of the African version of "capitalism" where the uncountable numbers of African prisoners that were SOLD to the europeans by their own African tribal brothers after being defeated in battle?? Selective amnesia? doesn't fit the narrative?? How about the CURRENT practice of kidnapping and stealing of the descendants of those U.S. slaves by the black muslims in northern africa. Help me out here Athena..as i'm a little confused that of all of the mention of being "African" american when in truth your as american as I am.. you would think the race hustlers like Al Jesse, Lemon, and the rest would make it their lifes goal to stop this as much as O.J. Simpson make it his to find the killer of his wife…
ya ok, and you think the county wouldn't go :"Congo or Somalia" if whitey vanished, ok.
Great post Frank…MLK, Dr. Ben Carson, Bill Cosby couldn't have said it better. I grew up inner city Youngstown, Oh and every black friend I new who make and effort succeeded (as can be seen in my friends list on FB)
Stephen Hamby : the "problem' with HIS mindset, how about a self-evaluation of your white guilt liberal mindset…wait, can't be anything misguided on your end
Stephen Hamby: And as why blacks are perceived as inherently criminal and violent might have something to do with the FBI's crime stats based on percentage of population to crimes committed…now don't let those facts get in the the way of and otherwise good argumentdebate
Vince Farmintino you must do more research into the war on drugs, COINTELPRO, and the creation of housing projects. Then come back with an educated opinion.
Vince Farmintino : If you would not like to research what I've just laid out for you, then you are choosing to be ignorant. And, that's just the tip of the iceberg, sir.
Todd Leonard I would like you to research COINTELPRO, a part of the CIA that directly discredits Black national movements and calls them terrorists threats. You may also look into the war on drugs (i.e. mandatory minimums). You also must look into the creation of the "Housing Project Complex." After that, look at the way the school systems are set up. I'm from Chicago, we had one too many schools close this past year. What are those kids going to do? While the funding goes elsewhere (More than likely places not needed i.e. tourists attractions).
With that being said: We are denied equal housing opportunities, Educational opportunities, all while jumping hurdles of preconceived notions of us portrayed in the media.
I could go on, but I would strongly suggest researching those topics. Every single black leaders fell at the hands of the CIA. And, if you need evidence for that I would suggest you research that as well.
I blame all of this shit on those politicans for keepin every body seperated 4real though yeah I know that the system is messed up especially for us black folks but we as black folks and as americans should fix this problem and that's by knowing our rights be it citizen and civil rights furthermore education is the key folks I would like to see more and more of my fellow african americans goin to college tryin to better themselves and help out one anotha instead of degrading one anotha or sellin eachother out.until we can get these things figured out then we will most than likley be seein a huge change in all of this.
This has to be the dumbest shit I've ever read.
Shout out to the white guy for being an embarrassment to mankind, nobody has sympathy for you when the problematic world is in conversation. I don't know why it was even necessary to consider him worthy of opening his mouth.
Why do we care what white people think? You should care what every individual thinks regardless of race. You speak as though you are some victim of slavery. You have every right that "white people" have. Are there racist whites? Ofcourse, but being racist in return makes you no better than the people that you hate. It simply breeds more hate. You are not entitled to anything just because of the color of your skin, nor should you be denied anything. If you want something, earn it. If you don't like the way the system works, change it. Stop adopting an attitude that you have somehow been mistreated, because you haven't been.
Yeah, I don't understand this oppressive system thing. I have a lot of black friends that are very well off. They're doctors, teachers, etc. They made an effort to be where they are. They worked just as hard as my white friends to get through college, etc. This whole thing reeks of just creating another excuse for people failing without trying.
What have you been denied due to the color of your skin? Nothing! You feel as though you are entitled because of the color of your skin. You are not. Wake up! You have to work hard and earn everything that you get because that's what everyone else has to do. You are not entitled to a damn thing because of what your ancestors had to endure. I am not responsible for the sins of my ancestors, and you haven't endured anything. Someone called you a name? I have been called many names in my lifetime. The system exists only in your mind, and if you allow it to exist you will forever be a part of it. You will never escape it, and it will consume you. Hatred only breeds more hatred.
Nzingha Shabaka He may have needed to use a different choice of wording, but I don't believe his intention was to undermine Black people, but to agree with acknowledging that there is a systematic white supremacy where white people are priviledged and therefore, how racism does exist. He meant no harm.
I see the ignorance of so many distractions in the minds of both races. The issue is white supremacy… the 1%(trillionaires) who own this country, our government, our music, our tv, and our paper money. We slave for and they create out of thin air, but we to busy fighting our selves(all races). To see who really rules the world.
Jon, black people HAVE changed the system! Black people DO earn what they deserve. the reason there is backlash because even when (for example) a person earns top academic marks Yale or certain jobs etc…didn't accept them based on skin color. Therefore, the government made quotas to counter the racist system that THEY set up. Now, white folk are saying black people haven't EARNED a right to this or that or that we get "set asides". No, the system and whites we incapable of being fair in their own country. Not you specifically but the history of 400 years. Now you want us to believe in a mere 40 years..it has disappeared? It hasn't, moved forward yes, disappeared ..no..(hint: Ferguson, Mo. do you still think it doesn't affect us?)
You need to care because white people are the problem. You surely must value the content of their minds if you wish to dismantle the problem that is their structured advantage.
Must value the minds of all if you wish to destroy the system, the system built on global financial inequality.
Jon Yanhko. You are of the brick walls he's referring to.
Boy Illinois : Being from ChIraq you see first hand confirmation of the text in my post. As far as choosing to be ignorant, and again this is the internet and some of the things I may say might be viewed as misinformation andor falsehoods. The link below lays out the purpose of COINTELPRO from its site so anyone who views our discussion can see for themselves.
yes this is a war on drugs, and invoking selective amnesia doesn't seem logical. In inner city Yougstown, Oh where i grew up until I escaped to the military along with many of all races, i've seen first hand as you that when blacks will sellout and in other cases (Chicago-Philly-Baltimore-Detroit and 100's others) kill each other while preaching togetherness is a bit hypocritical.
Read the outstanding post my Mr. Frank Lewis on this thread as it seems he can say the same
As I try to impress on my 3 sons, "sometimes it's better to walk alone, then to follow the group in the wrong direction"
Thanks for the COINTELPRO info. It is a very good site.
Saif, while I certainly understand that occasions like that do occur, I would not simply state that was the only reason that someone doesn't get a job. The mentality that people feel race is the only justification for someone not getting a job is simply incorrect. Just because a black man went to Yale and finished first in his class doesn't make him more qualified than someone of another race that went to Harvard and finished in the middle of his class. There are numerous factors that go into consideration when hiring an individual. "He didn't hire me because I'm black" is as ridiculous a justification as not hiring someone based on race. It's easy to say that everything is a race issue. Too many arguments are being made about race. I have worked for companies that have given less qualified individuals positions because they didn't want to appear racist. There has been legislation passed that has specifically encouraged employers to hire minorities. How does this discourage racism? The point is, everything isn't about race. The most common of human mistakes is the belief that the limit of our own personal perspective is the limit of all there is to perceive.
Samuel Kim ..same here Samuel. My CIO for over 10yrs was black as were hundreds of nurses, doctors, fiscal employees where I work at a major hospital. I've worked at my job for 17yrs (same place) and every black 17-18yr old who made a positive choice and left the victim play card in Rev. Al's pocket are doing very well. Not one instance have I heard from their PARENTS of any issues that many are voicing on this site.
Jon Yanhko You're making white people look ignorant, just as bad as the dude in the video. Please educate yourself on the nature of institutionalized, interpersonal and internalized racism and realize how prevalent the problem of race truly is in America.
If our system allowed us to adopt a black president, why must all of you still knock the system. the man leading our nation is of color. we are all equal, and that was the true pinnacle in history that proved that. I know not much about urban environments, but all I can say is everyone has a choice. we all have two feet, a government that offers financial support and academic universities that offer full ride scholarships to those who deserve them. if your fellow brother can do it, why cant you? stop making excuses if others are out living the same 24 hours you are, came from the same background you did – and are now successful individuals. look at most major athletes, doctors, lawyers, musicians. they came from nothing, and found light in the future. enough with the race card. all are equal today. our president is a walking example.
Todd Leonard : The site http://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro that Boy is referencing has 8 groups "8" not just black extremist. With all the hate going around nowadays i'm surprised the term is only used to describe "white". I'm sure the 1000's of white knockout victims would beg to differ, at least the ones who didn't die.
Brian, I don't need to research a problem that isn't real. You're saying this "system" is corrupt. This same system is the system that has allowed every individual to succeed regardless of race. I'm so sorry that you feel you didn't get a job because of your race. Do what I do, work for yourself. Then you'll have no one to answer to, and you won't have to worry about racism. Start your own business. Stop whining that you didn't get picked to be on little Suzie's kickball team. Go where there is no road and forge your own way.
Wow! I have to say I'm really impressed by Phillip Agnew. I hope his voice gets heard all over this country, and I can't wait to hear what else he has to say.
Myrna S. Leonard What fallacy do you speak of. The FBI stats are going by %percentage of the population and crimes committed..no fallacy there at all. The stats reflect blacks make up roughly %14 of the population yet make up over %40 of the prison population.
Rom the FBI statistical crime site:
Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Brandy Williams there is no privilege to anyone in this country. Are you saying that you'll help out another person simply because of the color of their skin? If so, you are part of the problem, and not part of the solution. You and Jay both think you are entitled to something that you are not. That is the true problem. You are not entitled to anything because of something that happened to your ancestors 200 years ago. You have the exact same rights as every other citizen in America. You are able to receive an education just like everyone else in America. You are allowed to start your own business and forge your own way just like everyone else in America.
Jon Yanhko you obviously do not have the ability to provide an accurate empathetic understanding of this very complex issue, that does not effect you. You are being objective and our experience is subjective…meaning we live this reality. You benefit from white privilege in ways that you may never even be able to recognize. And as far as affirmative action goes…jim crow, generational wealth, and social caste systems are the original Affirmative Action, we brown skinned Americans are just tryna catch up in a race that white americans had a head start in!
The only problem are the adjectives black, and white in the whole article. Everything isn't a race issue. It seems as though some people want every issue to be about race. Wake up! Educate yourselves, and make a difference.
Jon Yanhko This is why I want to be white, just to have the luxury to think this way
Vince Farmintino you're proving me right.
Kim, just as you state your experience of being black is subjective, as is my experience of being white. Black people seem to have some illusion of grandeur with regard to race. Do you really think that all of your problems would disappear if you were white? That's the real issue! You would be exactly where you are if you were born white. There isn't some grand endowment that you receive if you are white.
Jon Yanhko We don't have to care about what white people think. Africans are the oldest humans on the Earth. Africans don't need permission nor approval so they can have this thing called life & liberty. Africans had their rights & societies long before Europeans even came on Earth. The thing is Europeans committed the worse crimes of all time and have yet to repair the wrong doing they have done. Even when Civil Rights leaders such as MLK fought for things to be civil, he was still punished for it. If you want things to be repaired then I suggest you to go get a big group of white males and go bang on the Federal Reserve door and demand for Africans primarily in America to receive Reparations. You say we have to "earn it" so should Africans start robbing, killing and pillaging Europeans….because that is how Europeans earned their wealth. They did not have any wealth prior to them coming over to America and stealing it from the Natives.
Todd Leonard (with how things are today, u never know we could be related), however, let me respond to your question. At face value your observation of rights are based on the fact that we are in jobs, schools, etc., which once before have been closed to us and therefore you would be correct we are not being outwardly denied any "rights." What we are being denied is a systematic limitation to how far we can go or how many of us can get there based on an uneven playing field. Point in case, lets talk about corporate America, coming out of college I was a wide-eyed girl waiting for the chance to get ahead, I would out work, out think and out perform anyone to make it so. So it was in my first position that BAM I ran right into the proverbial wall of racism, now, if it was just me noticing the disparity you could say it was all in my head, but it was not only clear to me but to my staff, who were mostly white and who had been through this with every black manager they had, now I went in and did what no other manager had done before me, cleaned up old stock, bought in vendors to train personnel, kept my stock rooms so clean even the VP of the organization when doing a walkthrough said you could eat off the floors and staff all over the store know of me and wanted to work for me, so when extra people were needed to work holidays they sent me to recruit, and Christmas was huge so I was chosen to build the Christmas department, which all of top level execs did a walkthrough, now for anyone else that would have seemed like a promotion, but when Christmas was over, they re-aligned the store and I had no departments which to go back to, that was the 1st attempt at getting me to resign, next I received my appraisal, 6 months late and was basically told I was all but incompetent and was given no raise. Another manager (white) who recognized what was going on had me come work in her department and she ended up paying for that kindness, fast forward and I encountered many of the same things moving from corporate position to corporate position, I was always a go getter, over-achiever and was always called on at each job whenever anything difficult be it a project, client or employee was involved, I created processes, stream-lined others but still when it was time to be promoted somehow I never measured up, but always there was staff & management who knew and who recognized the blatant racism, one corporation was even called out for the fact that although the company had the appearance of being diverse as you went into the senior ranks strangely there were only white males. Now, let me just say and yes, I am tooting my own horn, my credentials are pretty impressive, Ivy league college, Masters, certifications and impressive experience in my current profession, wherever I was hired I should have come in at a higher position, but I didn't sweat it because I knew it would be of no consequence as I know I surely could move up quickly…To make a long story shorter, here's the difference Todd, when we are growing up it is a known fact in our community that we have to work twice as hard to get half as far. I watched idiots be promoted, people who just had the right color, even though I built a 2 million dollar business within 1 year, and bought more money in in one year than all of the senior managers within my group and still I was told I didn't have the tools. Bottom line, I have seen blatant and subliminal racism at work and have endured a long history of institutionalized corporate racism, I just refuse to allow the short sights of others to be the wall I cannot get over, so now instead of building business where I am not appreciated or awarded, I now build that business for myself. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
LaMarkus you clearly have the mentality that you are entitled to something because of your race. That is what is wrong with your entire argument. You feel as though you should receive compensation from what your ancestors had to endure. Should white people feel the same way? There were white slaves long before there were any black slaves. Should we be entitled to reparations as well? If so, how much money should each of us get? Should we base it upon how many years each of our ancestors was a slave? Don't forget this FACT about slavery. The slaves were SOLD to Americans by other AFRICANS.
Ángelo Martínez : So you're telling me that the situations in Detroit – Philly – LA – Newark – Cleveland and 100's more would not be a realistic view of a non-white majority country?? You talk about an exploding head defining racism to a caucasian..wow…the only hate talk I have noticed (has gone by about %10,000) since Obama and his white hating AG took office) is coming from blacks. Talk about buyers remorse on a national level….
I have asked three times, what rights are blacks being denied? The non-response must mean that everyone came to the same conclusion that I did, none.
I received a comment on Harvard and how hard it is to get in. I received a comment on housing projects and poor schools.
Having a true African American in the White House goes to show that the sky is the limit for all in America. The only limitations you have are the ones you put on yourselves.
Vince Farmintino I see you attended the University of North Carolina, go get your money back. They clearly did not educate you and now you are grasping at straws failing to make a relevant point.
Jon Yanhko what you fail to realize about this country is that it isn't a true meritocracy. Consider this: how many people do you know have gotten a job or opportunity because a friend or family member helped them? Statically speaking most people in this country are white. Correct? So logically, most people in decision-making positions are white. Correct? Now, heres the kicker. If most of the people in decision-making positions are white, and typically people get jobs or opportunities (most, not always) based of of friends, or closer relationships, who do you think is getting these jobs and opportunities? Whites or blacks? (ask yourself: are most of your friends black or white?). So while it is possible to break through these barriers, sometimes just being a little bit better isn't enough. Sometimes you've got to be 5-10x better than the next guy if you really want something. And event then, that isn't enough.
Ángelo Martínez . they did just fine..6digit income for the past 10yrs at a job I enjoy, thanks.
I offered real time facts..but i've come to the conclusion that your typical discussion with a white person usually results with the caucasian backing down when the "R" is used…you might want to debate someone else who doesn't have a backbone…
Jon Salud that would be to assume that the only way to make a living is to work for a company or someone else. That is not the case. Everyone is entitled to work for themselves. This eliminates any reason as to why you couldn't get a job because of the color of your skin. Start your own business and stop complaining about the system.
Vince Farmintino there is no debate and your salary has nothing to do with your intellect. I can brag about mine as well, what does it prove? You think you're making points but you are not. You know nothing about black communities and the experiences of the people within them. What's there to debate when you don't have the facts?
Todd Leonard, I am the "someone" who talked about Harvard College/University. I didn't just "mention" it, and I did not say or even imply that Harvard is "racist" and discriminate against "Blacks."
I would assume that you are well educated, since you have an engineering degree. Therefore, I would expect you to understand (and just maybe be better informed) what my point was in using Harvard as an example of institutionalism; which has nothing to do with race. At this point, I do not feel it advantageous for me to restate what I said; because if you didn't understand what I meant in that post, you won't understand what I mean in this one either.
Unfortunately, I'm starting to think that you're just feigning ignorance and you're not really serious about not "understanding" what we mean by systemic or institutional racism. From your posts, I also get a strong impression that you are in a huge state of denial about the state of Black / White relations in America. And as long as White America continues to turn a blind eye to institutional or systemic racism; while, at the same time, perpetuating the system, we're going to have the same problems that we've had for many moons now. By the way, please don't pretend you don't know or understand what I'm talking about.
When discussing racism in America, I do not make it personal by talking about all of my own experiences; because this is not about me as an individual, instead, it's about an entire race of people. However, I have plenty of examples of how "I" have been denied the same rights as Whites. But, again, this is not my personal battle and I won't tell you about my personal journey.
In my "Harvard" post to you, I tried to assure you that I did not mean you any disrespect; however, that meant absolutely nothing to you. So, in this post I will not make that mistake again and just say this: You are not at all concerned about what is meant by institutional racism. So, I don't know why you are wasting our time pretending you want to know.
It takes time, effort, and thoughtfulness to respond in writing to someone (thinking they want information) just to have that person (you) come back and kick sand in your eyes. Well, I, for one do not appreciate being dismissed like that. So Todd Leonard, you can keep up your little charade if you like, just don't expect to get any serious replies, most people are busy being productive and don't have the time to entertain nonsensical people (you).
Vince Farmintino I did not refer to a particular site. I referred to the organization the site is on. For you to say that you can garner the entire responsibility and the actions of this organization by this site, would be highly problematic.
Now, let's operate in logic starting from now on.
If I create a site that represents my organization, and I knowingly and sometimes admittedly am involved in war crimes, and hate crimes…why would I put that on my site? A website is public PR. Why would I ever try to discredit myself in such a public manner? Especially since its such a high governmental organization.
Now, to say that you have gained enough information for analysis on this said organization is say what…3 hours from my original response is saying two things. You either don't care to look more into what I'm speaking of, or you're a super genius that can digest information and make a rational decision on that information in a very quick process.
We have only based this off of logic so far.
Now, let's go into how you want a response for your question: "What rights are blacks being denied?"
And, I gave you ; With that being said: We are denied equal housing opportunities, Educational opportunities, all while jumping hurdles of preconceived notions of us portrayed in the media.
You response only addressed the COINTELPRO part of my response and not the rest. If one is to have a genuine conversation, and try to get an understanding of something…one must address all points.
So, we will start there. And, once you respond…we will continue to operate with logic only.
Jon Yanhko How do you start a business? You either save money (You need to work for someone else to do that), you get a small business loan (You need to speak to a decision maker), or get help from your family (May not have the resources–which goes back to, you guessed it: you need to work for someone else). It seems as though you're so hell bent on being right, and not understanding, that even when I present you with easy to follow reason (I hope you can, you're an office manager which means you are a primary decision maker–or did a friend or family member help you out?) you choose to still give unthoughtful and unreasonable responses.
Myrna S. Leonard , thank you for your lengthy response and finally an answer to my question. As I was reading your response, I was thinking, "this woman needs to start her own business." Good for you. I wish you success.
Obviously, you have experienced some sort of discrimination in the corporate world. I applaud you for overcoming. I, too, have seen/experienced favoritism in the workplace for whatever reason.
Seems your education credentials debunks the myth that black Americans cannot get into Ivy League schools. BTW-I hate to differentiate between black and white Americans. Aren't we all just Americans?
Todd Leonard, since you are insisting on people giving you "facts"; where are your "facts" proving that institutional racism does not exist in America? Please don't tell me about how you feel and what you think without having some documented evidence.
Next, we're not just a "darker" skin color than you are, we are a different race than you are. Period. So lets not engage in a game of semantics, just be honest and truthful about race matters in America.
Jon Yanhko I NEVER want to be white, where the hell did you get that imterpretation from my statement!?
Even with all the shit my ppl have gone through I would never trade my existence as a black woman for any one else's NEVER! I love my people, I love our resilience, I love our spirit and creativity…I Love my black american self, I love identifying as a black american, and I also LOVE THE TRUTH, LOVE FACTS. I value my mind so much that after this reply I'm going to use it to do something much more productive for me and my people than debating with you. Continue on in your narrow views. Ill let the other folks go in.
Jon Yanhko I asked a question. Why do we care what white people think? My answer is I do not care what white people think! So that makes your comment irrelevant to my concerns of Blacks and Africans globally! My concern does not involve entertaining or appeasing you or your race now or ever. No need to reply this conversation is over!
Jon Salud through education.
Frank Lewis What you are saying may sound good to you, but those of us who know what happened in this country and still going, holding black people down, we are not hearing it. How are we going to move forward when they keep making laws to lock up and keep black men in prison. Black women need the black man, to help her raise their children, so that they do repeat what has happened to him. You say we need to stop asking whites to do for us, no. What we want is to be given the same help whites got, besides we have already paid for whatever we get. Stop the nonsense.
Marcia Judkins Your comment that you do not care what someone thinks because of race is simply a racist comment. I don't understand why you are so appalled when others, just like yourself, say they don't care what you think because of your race. It's the same principle. You have quite a bit in common with the white problem in this country.
Margie Campbell-Threadgill Black people produce the capital to buid Havard, and many more of their Ivy League universities, and colleges.
Todd Leonard, I prefer to see it that way as well, but it would be foolish to discount the racism/discrimination that is in deed in place and institutionalized, however, I am still in agreement that the sky is the limit, because knowing the obstacles you have to surmount provides the impetus to do so. So although I may have started in a position of lack in the eyes of society (inner city, black, woman), in the end I still understand that it is my choice as to whether I stay at that line!
Vince Farmintino I will tell you just like I discussed with another commenter. Why in the world would COINTELPRO purposely put forward their agenda on their public domain. I've researched them for a very, very long time. One cannot garner the true mission and effect off of a website.
Now, to further go along with what I originally stated by the war on drugs (And, since everyone likes pulling up statistics) let's see what happens when we pull up the statistics of those effected directly and indirectly by the drug war…the shortened version for the sake of lengthy dialogue. What EVERYBODY tends to miss is this…most negative things are derived from a negative mind set. Committing crimes, ripping people off, murder, etc. Now, to examine that on a basic and logical level, one could come to the conclusion that these things all derive from a mind-state that makes it 'ok' with that person to do such. NOW, take the war on drugs and look at all the minorities lives it has taken. Let's not look at a few branches, lets trace back to the root.
The crack epidemic as we all know came and devastated the black community. Yes, drugs were there before hand but this epidemic single handedly crippled the African American house hold within the inner city.
You have drug dealers. Dealing to their community and selling poison to their community. Questions that should be answered before we come down on the crack dealer is….hmmm Where are these drugs coming from? We sure in the hell don't own boats and know many people to connect us to such powerful people in the first place. Ronald Reagan maybe? IDK…you may want to look into that.
Crack buyers. These people are poisoning their bodies with things that are not meant for that particular use. Now, we must go back deeper and find the root and ask questions again. How was this introduced in this space? Was it always here? If so, why the dramatic spike? Is everyone introduced to this? If so at what age? What education is being presented on such, if or if it has not been around this particular area for long?
Mandatory minimums. Crack garners a heavier sentence that the powder form cocaine, I guess due to the toxins and it being chemically tampered with. You need coke to produce crack. Who taught these people in a African American inner city to chemically produce something from a substance that we don't even have in our country, and be able to profit so substantially off of it? What are the statistics on what race is often caught with what substance more? Are black and brown people more likely to have crack than coke? Are caucasian people more often to have crack than cocaine? Who profits off of all of this in the end? There is always another boss, so who's the drug dealers boss? Who's his boss? And, so on and so forth.
NOW, what color of people populate the jails? What crimes are they committing? How many are nonviolent crimes? Are jails really rehabilitating people or institutionalizing them? Who profits off of the prison system? Why are their prisons on wall street operating off of how many inmates they have?
NOW, go into the home of the young boy who's father serves a mandatory minimum for crack sales. You can say all day long, he shouldn't be committing crime. But, one could say he was trying to provide for his family is such a low economic region, where its hard to survive as one single individual off of an honest mans pay. Then, once could also point the finger at corporate greed. Their white collar crimes damage far more people, and especially the people in these inner cities with low economic values.
Penalties for these crimes get at the most a slap on the wrist. Why no hard time for them? But, we get mandatory minimums for a certain amount of crack found on us.
NOW, that boy grows up in a broken how (for idk how long) within a broken community, that that has a below average school system and is policed by people that don't look at them as equals. How long will it take that child to be dysfunctional? Especially if it happens early enough in the adolescence period, it can harvest grave dangers in the near future.
That's just a very small example of a huge problem. But, psychologically…because if you have ones mind you can control their actions and the way they act towards each other…case in point Apple. Look at their very loyal supporters and the lengths they go to to discredit other phones and wait in line for new ones. It's the control of the mind.
Some races of people are more psychologically damaged than others.
Todd Leonard – There you go again. The "Harvard" thing really didn't set well with you. Why? I said nothing about how hard it is to get into Harvard, and for you to misconstrue what I said about Harvard is quite offensive to me.
Being ignorant is one thing, but telling an out and out lie is another thing.
You claimed in one of your post that you weren't trying to be argumentative; well, I beg to differ with you. Not only are you being argumentative, you're being disrespectful to well meaning people who are only trying to answer your question in your original post.
From your tone, you're trying in every way you can to discredit our intelligence as well as our knowledge of institutional racism. Next, who are you to demand that "we" answer your pretentious question the way "YOU" want us to answer it. You should be happy that anyone responded to you in a civil manner at all.
If you want to know what we mean by institutional racism just look in the mirror; because based on your demands and your twisting of what we have said, you embody institutional racism to a very high degree.
Jon Yanhko education cost money……. and back to square 1 lol but go on lol
presidents are puppets… lol fail
Humans may not be perfect, but to state they are flawed almost gives the impression that everyone has equal access to the same opportunities. All you have to do is survey schools from neighborhoods with various economic standings and you could conclude that the system is set up to keep people exactly where they are.
Wow, need to see more!
Jon Yanhko I think you're missing what he's actually saying. He's not saying the color of his skin makes him "entitled" to anything beyond basic human rights. He's also not saying you're "privileged" in the sense that I'm sure you're thinking. Yes, you have to work hard in this country to succeed. Yes, hatred is not the answer. Yes, pain is not genetically transferred through the generations. But scars are.
What he's referring to, Jay, is white privilege. It doesn't mean he thinks you were raised rich or are receiving handouts. White privilege means if you and a certain minority are in the same situation, if it be shopping in a store, trying to get into your house or car after locking yourself out, walking through a neighborhood at night, or driving a nice car, the majority of the populace will give you the benefit of the doubt while the minority will not. You can see it in social experiments, crime and sentencing statistics and cases all across the country where a black man or woman was killed because they knocked on a door late at night, walked through a nice neighborhood with a hoodie up or played loud music.
It's not the only kind of privilege out there though. If you were born in this country, you receive the advantages of citizenship that others must fight tooth and nail for. If you're born straight, you automatically have the right to marry whomever you love and never have to explain to others why. If you're a man, you will statistically make more than women for the same amount of work and never will have to fight for your own reproductive health. If your first language is english, you know you wont get poorer grades or be turned away from a job because you have difficulty with the language. If you're born into a well-off family, you're granted a safety net as a child that others don't have. If you're born into a loving family, you have a statically better chance of being successful in school and staying out of jail.
These are privileges that haven't been earned and others will have difficulty with and may never receive. This isn't to say you should be racked with guilt about having them. The very nature of privilege makes it something you cannot control. But you should be aware of it . If everyone understands this then maybe we'll have less "well if I could do it why can't you?" and more understanding that we all don't start at the same place, that we all don't have the same experiences, and that it's about so much more than name calling.
Margie Campbell-Threadgill – You are correct on at least two points. First, I guess I am ignorant about what you mean by institutional racism. I went back and re-read your post on Harvard and I still don't get it. I thought you meant that black people had a more difficult time getting into Harvard than white people. Apparently, that is not what you meant at all. Second, is an extension of the first point. No, the Harvard thing, as I understood it, did not set well with me.
Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day to respond to me.
I shall bow out of this conversation now and not piss off anyone else with my ignorance. I will continue to treat all with respect and dignity and expect the same in return.
Ism you can get a student loan from the government. Not only that you can get a scholarship because you are a minority. You can also get a government grant if you qualify. There is no excuse. People who make excuses are seldom good for anything but.
And again I say so what? Who told you that the system was supposed to be set up for you to succeed? The FACT is people achieve and rise above the intention of the system ALL THE TIME. Like it happens so often that we don't even recognize it anymore. The difference usually stems from their family environment, their upbringing, their education and their hard work. There is NO system in play that can over come that. If you are saying otherwise then I will have to question your integrity and motivation in life. So what there is a current in the stream to swim against…keep swimming and stop crying about reality people. Times have changed so much and they will continue to change as we evolve and do greater things. What exactly are you adding to civilization besides your criticisms? That is the true indicator of who you are and will be.
Myrna S. Leonard I knew I would hear something back on my comment, here is the thing, when people write or says something like this poster, to me he was killing two birds with one stone, putting into our head or our children who cannot separate what he said. I clearly understood what he was saying, but it was a subliminal move on his part, if you don't read between the lines. If you cannot see it, it can be difficult to explain. If you disagree with me, that is fine, but to say I need a break, I cannot figure that one out, he surely don't need your help, we need all the help we can get, without blacks trying to murk the water. I still stick by my position. He did not have to word what he wrote like he did.
Kenya Chyna If he had to word what he said like he did, he gets no accolades from me, he need to apology for wording what he said, and no I do not believe he meant well, his words speaks for him, he blew it. I am done.
Todd Leonard, the more I read your posts, the more I see how narrow minded you are and how "entitled" you feel. You still don't have an "answer" to your question because this lady simply talked about her own personal experiences in the workplace. If you work with or have worked with Black people and are (have been) in a hiring or management position, you know about everything she talked about. So, again, stop pretending you're unaware when you know you're not.
What an insult to Black people to say: "Seems your education credentials debunks the myth that black Americans cannot get into Ivy League schools. BTW-I hate to differentiate between black and white Americans. Aren't we all just Americans?"
Historically: Do you know anything at all about American history? Do you know anything at all about how Black people have been treated (and still are) by White people in America? Do you know anything about Black people being denied entry into colleges and universities in America, and why they were denied? Do you know just anything about Black / White America?
There are many Black people who have been systemically denied many things in America just because they were black and no other reason. If you think this is all just some kind of a joke, all you have to do it look at how President Obama has been, and is being treated by White America; just because he is a black person.
As far as your asinine question of "Aren't we all just Americans?" is concerned: In logic, no we're not all just "Americans" ; we all just live in America. Period.
Myrna S. Leonard This will be all I will say on the matter. Whites are notorious for doing things like this. He also said, we are not born equal, if you are born with a disability you are disadvantage. The correct manner he should have said what he said, if he did not have a ulteriol motive, was to say, "white supremacy give blacks a disadvantage, because white racist run the system. He did not need to say we are not born equal, I would have said white supremacy gives blacks and unequal playing field. No, I am not going for the we are not born equal. I was born equal to anyone and then some. Ulteriol motives, and subliminal messages, will have you thinking they are the good guys. I am done.
"Why do we even care what white people think? We do not owe them an explanation – they are familiar with their history." My sisah, they are NOT familiar with their history. Been working in the school systems for 21years…The truth does not get taught. The truth does not see the light in mainstream society. that adds to the lack of understanding of people who do not look like them. I agree we need to build our communities….For sure! look at ourselves For sure! Also keep in mind ALL the factors that might contribute to the problems we see.
Jon Yanhko YES!! GREAT JOB dude lets all get 1000 dollar loans.. We love living in debt as if living broke wasn't bad enough -.- The way that this economy is.. That "if" in this situation is like saying "the odds" and that my friend is never likely.. Excuse? yeah every seems like everyone has one right? For example I am a college student.. I did the usual to get in mine. Yes money got me in.. Never mind the fact that I was a High Honor Roll Student. My current GPA: 3.8.. And i still have no job. why you ask? shit. Im sorry for this but my ignorant side said "White people be denying facts the most"
1 IT STARTS AT HOME IN THE COMMUNITY THEN THE POLICE THEN JAIL THEN PRISON THERE'S LEVELS TO THIS … TAKE THE POLICE OUT THE NEIGHBOR HOOD FOR 1 MONTH AND SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY REACTS TO HOW SAFE THEY FEEL … DONT POINT THE BLAME THIERS LEVELS TO THIS SYSTEM EVERYONE HAS THE SAME RULES <<<
I feel you on everything except your Hashtag….. Don't get that
Todd Leonard – No, you have not treated people on this thread with respect. In my original post to you, my comments were well intended and I showed you respect and dignity. But, no, that wasn't good enough for you.
Instead of replying to me directly, you decided to refer to me as "someone" who mentioned Harvard. That showed me how much you respected me. So to make sure that I don't make the same error again with you, I'm just telling you what I really think about your attitude toward this issue.
You have demonstrated throughout your posts that you do not respect what "we" have offered on institutional racism. How can you discount everything that posters have said on this topic? We are the ones who are most adversely subjected to and effected by racism. Are you saying that we're all imagining these things?
Next, I could go to the trouble of telling you about myself; but what for? Just to try and prove to you that "I'm" different from "them"? No, I don't have to do that. I know who and what I am and it doesn't matter to me what or who you think I am. Again, it's not about me and what I've done or not done; it's about a whole race of people.
I agree with your sentiment brother and I wish more of us thought like you. I just want to add the fact that if one behaves like prey, so called predators will treat you as such. I am not saying that predators wont try you or that the citizens in your community are any more impervious to attacks than they were before. I will say that a predator is battled or contested with by other predators. It is hard for any so called oppressor to prey on a respectable adversary. Especially one who has adapted to its environment and has learned how to fight back. What am I saying? Stop being a victim and break this façade of a precedent that we have set. This precedent meant the one that states that we need others to defend or understand us. Make moves. For there is a reason why we are statistically the most exploited people. Since 1960 we have brought 585 billion dollars of income to our house holds. The bad part is that we only retain 5 % of this. It has been said several times that even if we retain 75 to 80 percent in our community we would be a top ten global power….just food for thought #Hotep
Todd Leonard I think what you are missing is what you are calling "rights" and what we are calling "institutionalized racism" which is a system that has been built to keep us down or "In place". There are things we can tell you that you will never be able to identify with because it is not something you have to deal with on a day-to-day basis. You may have competition on a job, or be a victim of favoritism, but it's not "constant" or by "design" in your life. You do not have to raise your sons telling them be careful if stopped for a traffic ticket, it could be your last day, don't argue with a cop even though he has stopped and frisked you for no reason, keep your hands where they can be seen, don't pick up a toy gun in Walmart or a place where they sell guns. Do you know I have never had a boss whose credentials surpassed mine. Many companies have instituted "Diversity Programs", because somehow although they have a company full of minorities yet very few of them are seemingly smart enough to make it to the senior ranks. Todd whether you are able to discern or not, it is real, it is prevalent and we have to fight it everyday in ways you will never encounter simply because of the color of your skin. I do not condone the use of anything as an excuse to not succeed, but nor do I discount its validity and affect. I believe Margie Campbell-Threadgill was making a comparison, an analogy if you may of the hundreds of years of dogma from which Harvard was built still remains in play today although times have changed, they have not and the same goes for our nation. Many of the laws, etc.. were written when slavery was in place and the Black man was thought to have no inalienable rights, you would probably be surprised to know what laws still remain on the books of some states. But the greater analogy or difference between your experience and ours is: You walk up the hill with a pebble, we walk up hill with the whole damn mountain on our backs. Peace.
Ism perhaps you should pick a major where you can be self employed. What's stopping you from becoming an attorney or a doctor? I'm glad to hear you did so well in the education system that was provided FREE to you. A system designed by WHITE people right? A system DESIGNED to OPPRESS you. The only thing oppressing black people is themselves. It's time for a paradigm shift from "we can't" to "who can stop us?" !
most definitely a share & thank U 4 this very interesting site ase!!
Jon Yanhko Dude you are continuing to make asinine comments without a bucket to hold water. Whites DID receive reparations. European slave owners received payment from the government after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed. The payment compensated them for the revenue that was lost after the slaves were freed. Africans NEVER received reparations not one Iota not even the 40 acres & a mule. Keep in mind the Civil War was really fought so Europeans can kick start capitalism for THEIR benefit. The Transcontinental Rail Road which was mainly built by Chinese (who were paid pennies on the dollar) was built for European benefit. Dr Claude Anderson has done several lectures on this. He would blow your asinine comments way off of this planet. Chris Columbus supposedly discovered America for European benefit not the Natives benefit. Whats odd is the Native Americans have been fighting with NFL to stop using the Washington Redskins name & of course that request has been denied. So I guess Europeans can plagiarize basically steal and not compensate the victim? Even the European Jews received reparations for their Holocaust and it was the American government who made sure they received payment even though their holocaust took place in Europe. Africans have spent many, many, many years fighting for civil rights but in reality they were fighting so Europeans would act civilized to other humans. Yes there were white slaves as the word "slave" is a Slavic term and the Slavs make up most of Europe's population. However Europeans have clearly systematically put in place for them to receive reparations which is why segregation took place then Jim Crow laws. Europe benefited from slavery due to the fact that for crops that were picked in America, they shipped to Europe and sold on their market place. Also Wall Street companies started due to slavery. Now how many Africans do you see receiving "Golden Parachutes" from any Wall Street companies? Many of those companies today such as Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase commit Red Lining & Predatory lending towards Africans & even Hispanics, they have been sued for this terrible act. For many yrs in America it was illegal for an African to own a business and many inventions that were created by Africans were stolen by whites. When Africans did start their own communities ie Black Wall Street in Tulsa,OK the KKK would come in and burn the town down. Now since the town was burned into pieces shouldn't the Insurance Companies make payment against loss and vandalism…those same insurance companies such as AIG and Aetna who profited from slave labor? Now you have not answered my question should Africans start pillaging, raping, killing and stealing from whites in order to "Earn It"? Or Africans can stop exporting their natural resources from Africa to other regions on Earth which will then hurt both USA & Europe's economy which will lead to a major war? Or do you prefer the peaceful route by systematically making sure Africans receive reparations so more business can be created so the dollar is transferred more in the entire world? It would benefit the entire human race for Africans to receive reparations but off course you can't see this because you are too selfish to see it.
Unfortunately we do have to care what they think, for the most part they are in power. Maybe if they thought before they reacted there would be more brothers alive today. They are reacting without a thought or if there is a thought its of the worse.
Jon Yanhko I don't have time for that. The system was against us at a point in time and as far as now the way the shit is set up is to keep me "trying" to survive. There is so much to say but i don't want to repeat my self to a another person blinded to our situation.. I do enough of that in my world issues class -.- enjoy your day im hungry 🙁
Jon Yanhko Clearly you do not KNOW the true definition of racism. Many blacks do not hate or better yet not want to deal with/listen to certain folks because of their "skin color". I wouldn't care if you were purple. If your purple continued to kill my family, I would not want to be around purple. That is not racism. It is intelligence. It is based on actions over a very long period of time that "has not changed". The mere fact that you are stating we have not been harmed removes the cloak hiding your ignorance or refusal to see. Just because you do not experience it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I agree with what she said in that your opinion and anyone else's that does not agree, doesn't matter. Whites come out in droves to FIGHT for what they believe in. Let a dog get shot… marches and rants all over the place but the genocide of my people that is taking place before your eyes you are somehow immune to. Your opinions are irrelevant and posting them here shows clearly your intent. You are stirring nothing but an empty pot. lmbo. I suggest all to not even bother responding to ANY ignorance. Anyone who is not fighting for the deliverance of my people are ignored. This post was not even for you in all actuality. IGNORE CRAP> DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME> #nationTIME
Marcia Judkins U hit the hammer on the nail 7 with your response I could not have said it better! & if someone reply back 2 U about unity 4 the black race R the plan 4 the black man/woman & I would like 2 send U a friend request as well so we sisters can keep N touch. the white man has had centuries building against us & bc we got a so call half breed, black sambo, jump, how high puppet N the white house don't mean jack unless, he is with that jack & jack if U know what I mean !!
Jon Yanhko Africans DID NOT sell slaves to Europeans. Africa DID NOT have slavery, Africa did not even have jails or prisons until Europeans came & built them off the coastlines. Africa had servitude which is basically a government job. The servant had civil rights and could own property. The servant was honored because he/she worked closely with the Queen & King. Europeans showed up to Africa with guns & canons which are weapons the Africans did not use on people….why because they were not cowards as a gun is a cowards tool, even though the African Moors invented what eventually became the gun. However when the servants were transferred from Africa to Europeans hands the Queen & King did not know the servants were going to be mistreated & treated inhumanly. Those same European nations even came back to Africa to kill off who was left in the nations they got the servants from. So Africans were NEVER slaves in Africa they were free people. They became slaves when they were packed on those ships and put into bondage in America & Europe. Basically Slavery was introduced to Africa by Arabs & Europeans. People like you use that Africans sold slaves myth just like European Jews said they built the pyramids of Giza and they were slaves to the Kemites aka Egyptians. In my best Ed Lover voice…..C'mon Son….You need a real history lesson !!!
Nzingha Shabaka – My post about Harvard was not about race. It was to demonstrate to Todd Leonard how "Institutionalism within organizations, governments, societies, etc" operates. However, I think the connection between "institutional racism" and "institutions of prestige" was lost to some people.
My focus was on the mechanics of an "institution"; If we isolate the word "institution" and just consider what it means and how it operates or works, then the connection of Harvard's system of ethos can be made very easily to how racism operates within the American system of ethos.
Race has nothing at all to do with Harvard or any other Ivy League school. These schools are set up on a system that only allows people of a particular ilk to enter its doors of higher learning. These people can be of any race or nationality; as long as they fit into the well established and well run "system." I hope this better explains my "Harvard" post.
LaMarkus the black people were traded to Indians for goods that the African Kings desired in the 7th century, and again later to the Americans.
The bottom line is that there are very successful BLACK leaders in this country, and throughout the world. They didn't achieve success by complaining about how the system doesn't work. They made the system work for them. If they can do it, so can you! Stop crying about a handout! Do you think these people didn't ever have to go through the same things that you are going through? Do you think that their ancestors were treated any better than yours? There must be some degree of separation right? How could these people come from the same situation that you're living? They chose not to whine about the bad hand they were dealt. They chose to become something, rather than wait for something that will never come.
Well said Frank!
Charles Matthew, don't go there. I already tried. Some people want to be victims. I had similar comments under this same article. Not pretty.
LaMarkus Guynn : All of the debate i've been reading keeps me going back and thinking about sports. Let's think about this in a different way for a minute.
From little peewee football on up to the pro's, if any number of team members start looking at each game as "it's all about me" then what usually follows is bad mojo within the team. They start getting shunned by their peers and it usually spreads from there. I grew up in an old broken down mill town (Youngstown, OH) which was as much a melting pot as ever existed in America. There was the Italian side, the German side, the Greek side, the black side, the Puerto Rican side..well you get it.
But as I remember (now 44yrs old) is that each group lived this way because they were proud of their heritage, but never forced it on one another, even if certain groups had fall outs with each other. I truly believe that most things in not only this country, but the entire crazy world follows a windshield – bug scenerio where to the victors goes the spoils even if the victory was achieved in terrible ways (ie slavery).
Just as the believe that most movements (ex. NOW-feminist womans movement) do not want equality, I believe most large and powerful groups world wide want superiority. Just ask any super competitive team playing for all the marbles if they would let another team catch up and as soon as they tie 5-5 to stop the game so everyone can win…not going to ever happen if my view.
Not many white, black, latino, jewish (in my view the most horribly treated people in history at the hands of the Germans..millions), greek, polish will ever give up what they worked their lives for to help another catch up. Sad state of thinking maybe, but just something I believe is prevalent in the world.
Nzingha Shabaka, again I will say re-read what was stated, here let me re-post for you – White liberal people love the concept of equality but dont understand that we are not born equal if you are born with a disability you are disadvantaged and if you are born black you are disadvantaged in society due to racism. He was not talking about black people not being born equal or that we were born with a disability, he was making an analogy in regards to a person being born with a disability being at a disadvantage and then ended it with "black people being disadvantaged in society due to racism" Separate the sentences he is talking about blacks in only one of them. But with that said, I have a good idea of who is a racist, who is simply ignorant/ill-informed and mean well, and those who are genuinely trying to understand a concept they will never encounter. All whites are not trying to subliminally hypnotize or mind-meld us, lets remember whites walked in the civil rights movement also.
Frank, here is link to the system you are too blind to see. The best way to control or hide the system is to keep it in the banking system. There are plenty of articles online that speak of the Predatory lending & red lining that banks have been committing towards Africans even Hispanics for many yrs. Also do your research on why Muammar Gaddafi was really killed. He was killed because he was trying to set up a central bank for Africa so Africans can borrow money at cheaper rates than what the World Bank & IMF was lending. He was trying to put together a currency that was backed by gold which would strengthen Africa's economy more but it would also weaken Europe and USA economy because Europe & USA do not have enough gold to offset their population. He wanted for every oil barrel to be sold from Africa to be paid in gold. Here is the link that deals with predatory lending by Wells Fargo which happens to be owned by Warren Buffet who also help finance an so called "illegal alien" detainment prison. He receives payment from the government for his involvement with the prison this if after he issues high interest rates to so called "illegal aliens". http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/12/us-wells-lending-settlement-idUSBRE86B0V220120712
There is no trying to convince white of the systems of oppression they have created on their works in perpetuating those system. It is up to us to work against that system and turn it around. Become more aware of the BS they spew and this history of our people they have been trying to hide for so long. Being aware of the obstacles they have tried to put in place to cripple our people from infancy to elderly state. Be aware that ultimately they aren't our friends and are looking for THEIR best interest which means making sure we stay on the bottom so they have no competition. We've gotten so complacent and so naïve thinking that we can live in peace with people who have shown us time and time again that that is not what they want. We look like the fools. At this point I am done. I'm focused on my people and their well-being which we ALL should be doing as Black/African people. Once we start doing that and put ourselves first and above all others then we will see a change.
Vince Farmintino – The things that's missing from your statics is a thing called leniency. In every aspect of American life law enforcement is more lenient when it comes to White persons. From school SROs to prison COs to just plain mall security guards. Blacks and Hispanics are suspected, stopped, frisked, arrested and convicted at a higher frequency than Whites. If we could count the number of times Whites have been caught and received a "talking to" or a "second chance" or "slap on the wrist" instead of being put out of the school, detained or arrested their numbers would far out pace Black and Hispanic. That's what we mean when we say that the system is stacked against us and lacks fairness.
If only everyone had melanin that gave them a beautiful golden complexion this world would be a better place. Don't hate me because I am black and beautiful, hate me if wronged you!
When did this air on PBS? Hate I missed it.
Will Godar , excellent post!
The white gentleman commented that his family wasn't here 400 years ago, and that his family arrived here after the Civil War.
Now here is what he doesn't realize. At least he knows all of this. He probably knows which country his family came from and the exact year. Most of us black Americans don't know which African country our families came from. We were stripped of our roots a long time ago.
women has been on the back burner 4 2 long so nothing should mess with men ego now, its time 4 the women's 2 handle things 4 a change like it should have been done N the very beginning. it is time 4 compassion, love, peace, & happiness 2 bring 4th healing N people heart & not war. U can not catch bee's with vinegar. all of the lies, jealousy, hate, greedy, power & control has 2 stop & man has had long enough screwing with people mind, land, hearts & get on 2 doing the right thing by all of God people. God gave us all this Universe 2 live N peace & harmony & we can not wait around 4 people 2 come & save us & certainly not no man made up jesus but, B that it may we have 2 make things right, we have 2 reach out 2 one another's. we R 2 divided we have 2 bring on unity bc, none of us had a choice when GOD made & gave Creation 2 the people of all colors & if U R not about the solution get out the way & solve your own problems bc righteousness will prevail !!
Myrna S. Leonard Malcolm X was fighting for reparations….so I guess he is mediocre. Dr. Claude Anderson (if you have ever heard of him) is still fighting for reparations so I guess he is mediocre. I would rather see our girls twerking instead of seeing our girls being trained to shoot & kill which some whites have been doing to their girls. For example the young 9 yr old girl who killed her shooting instructor in Arizona a few months ago. Yes it was an accidental shooting but why should a 9 yr old be trained to shoot a real gun? Is it so when that 9 yr old gets to be 29 yrs old she can kill an innocent 22 yr old African male in a Walmart because he is holding a bee bee pellet gun in his hand that was still in the original package ie John Crawford. The English language is not even a REAL language because it has no proper syntax aka order and its merely a hybrid language (Dr. Booker T Coleman has spoken on this many times). I bet in the next 5 yrs the word "Fo Sizzle" will be added to the dictionary. Why because soon as we come up with some word, Europeans copy it….because in reality they want to be like us however they know they can't so they hate us. Its basically a form of "confused admiration" It is the white man who has built the prison so people like you can spend a life time living in. So which is more FASHIONABLE the garments or the institution itself? As not too long ago the city of Philadelphia closed many of the schools that were located in African American neighborhoods due to so called economic budget issues but right after that they built a bunch brand new prisons. I would like to see you challenge DR Umar Abdullah Johnson with your comments and see how foolish you will feel afterwards. Don't fall for the Boule thinking that some Africans become a part of just because their parents hustled their way to allow their child to go to private school system because whether its private or public the system is still put in place to keep you a MINORITY…..which according to Dr. Claude Anderson means you are a "loser". Go study the works of Dr. Cress Welsing then you will clearly understand the white males biggest problem = Genetic Annihilation. Have you seen the film documentary Hidden Colors 1-3 ??? Maybe you should peep it out.
Margie Campbell-Threadgill I agree with everything you said as I am always in a state of educating myself, however, my statement was not in response to the subject of institutional racism but in response to Nzhinga's statement i.e. "when people write or says something like this poster, to me he was killing two birds with one stone, putting into our head or our children who cannot separate what he said. I clearly understood what he was saying, but it was a subliminal move on his part, if you don't read between the lines. If you cannot see it, it can be difficult to explain. If you disagree with me, that is fine, but to say I need a break, I cannot figure that one out, he surely don't need your help, we need all the help we can get, without blacks trying to murk the water. " My response was to point out to her not everyone is being disingenuous, not every white person is your enemy just as not every black person is your friend. If you follow the thread of the gentleman we are speaking of you will see he wrote with great incite and empathy in regards to the subject.
Margie Campbell-Threadgill Not at all I did not misunderstand you, I only wanted to mention that information because most do not know it. As for race, living under white supremacy race has everything to do with it, that is why is is called white supremacy, it is about an evil system created by whites for whites.
LaMarkus Guynn, Malcolm did things then to bring inequities to light, but who knows what he would be fighting for now, reparations are NOT coming, we need to get over it, recognize it and move from a place of NOW. As far as your comparison between teaching them to shoot as opposed to twerking, then I beg to differ, I would rather teach my child to shoot in order to protect herself then have her shaking her *ss on a pole being objectified and debased by the men who should be honoring, uplifting and protecting her. Hybrid or not it is the language we speak, so why then when you are already at a disadvantage would you put yourself at an even greater one in the very system that is built to impede your progress? And wearing your pants down to your knees based on a prison code which tells another prisoner you are a bend over buddy is NOT a statement that we should be embracing as a whole. As I stated I am very aware of the inequities, inequalities and institutionalized racism we face on every front, but what we should get a pass for our own perpetuation of the very stereotype we want to dispel? What are you owed LeMarkus? What is stopping you from reaching your dreams? Last but not least, I never shy from a debate, so if Dr. Umar says something I do not agree with I will challenge just as I did in college with Farrakhan, I do not negate all we have been through and all we continue to endure I simply don't embrace it as my prison or as the reason for not moving forward. PS: I didn't go to private school, my parents had no money, I was born in Harlem and raised n the Bronx, worked 2 jobs in college, paid student loans, and endured countless bouts of racism and stagnation in Corporate America because in the end I was worth the investment to myself and because I learned obstacles can be surmounted.
what a liar no one said he was guilty cause he is white if you feel guilty and attacked because colored folks fight back at there systematic murder then ask yourself why do you feel guilty is it that you know its wrong but will not act to help or that you think its right and don't like your sins to be pointed out.
Making it plain! Phillip Agnew gives me hope for the future. Ella Baker would be proud. Dr. King would be proud.
I think both gentlemen are intelligent and make great points, but the title of the story is ignorant and rude for no good reason. Would like to hear more from both.
Myrna S. Leonard Oh please, don't mean to tell me you have bought into the liberal whites scenario, I guess you are speaking of the liberal whites like in the north during slavery, benefiting from slavery, and here today people are saying the north was not about slavery, it was the south, slavery started in the north. Having said that, there are no such thing as liberals, the liberals you speak about only goes so far, they do not see you as in the words of the liberal (wink, wink) you are supporting, as an equal, he was speaking about the way all whites think about blacks, we do not have any rights whites are bound to respect, (USSC 1800s) that includes them not seeing us as equals. I do not believe I need to tell you my overall impression of white people, look, I do not believe John Brown (a white) was real, and he was hung, history tells us for black people cause, I don't think so. So you can believe me when I say what I have said about Hamby, and you cannot hardly compare him to John Brown. You have the same impression that most blacks had when intergration came about, since whites had to intergrate their facilities, blacks thought ok, we are all one big family now. Didn't happen, not going to happen. I hate to drag this out, why Hamby fail to talk about the system, instead of trying to get away with putting blacks down, that is what he was doing. Back to a point I made earlier, they never talk about the system they are members of, That kind of language, and logic we do not want our children to read, unless we are there to teach what was being said. I am sorry you do not see this. I am waiting for him to come forward to defend himself, where is he? He knows what he said is messed up, so he need to apologize, and say it the way I suggested. He is not going to do that, you want to bet? You think this white male is going to speak against a system that is responsible for all the white male privileges he receives? No mam.
Frank Lewis I agree with the points you make; however, the fact that a White man can simply kill an unarmed Black 17 year old and not be arrested until there is an outcry still smacks of racism to me. He tells a story and is simply believed. And those other Black people who have applied themselves still have to thank Affirmative Action in some form or another. Ben Carson and Henry Gates didn't get into Yale just because they were smart according to Mr. Gates.
Charles Matthew and Todd Leonard I wish this conversation was just about education, but it is not. However, I will say I believe education to be the first step to fixing the problem if there is a fix. Education is how one recognizes the problem, and since we can change no one but ourselves this is where we need to start. I was able to move up in my career because somebody White believed I could do the job. Now with that being said, there were no people of color in positions to promote me, and there were plenty with college educations working in that company. There was an email from a VP stating no one graduating from a Black College would be promoted above the level of operations manager. So you tell me was that racism? A White woman exposed the email.
Thank yku ! Not all but too many. I am a young Bosnian American that just recently started wearing the hjjab. The way that I am perceived now compared to before I covered when I looked like any other white female is definitely noticible! If I have changed I hope that it was for the better yet I. am looked at as if I am the terrorist. The problem is that anything DIFFERENT is viewed as bad! I am a human and so are all the rest of us. Nothing more nothing less.
Thank you James Richardson. Vince come on are you really that uninformed? I am sure you believe everyone in prison is guilty too. God bless your poor little heart.
Isn't H Rap Brown the guy who killed one deputy in Atlanta and shot another one? Is he still serving a life without parole sentence or did he die? Yeah Julian, your statement is just plain stupid. I prefer Black men educated and out of prison.
yes u said it all
I SAW THIS SHOW, PHILLIP AGNEW IS "ON POINT"….
I would love to have been in that audience. What a forthright and knowledgeable young black man. Knowledge is the key that unlocks doors and always causes great fear in many. Kudos to him and kudos for the panel town hall meeting. Anytime you can bring a diverse of individuals together to seek clarity and understanding, you are own your way. #notalwaysaboutrace #sytemproblems
Nzingha Shabaka have you read the string of his posts, it is the system of which he speaks, but I am not going to continue to point out what you refuse to see, it appears you are of the mind that all whites are your enemy. Is it your contention that when whites sat at the lunch counters enduring the same atrocities as their fellow blacks that they were not sincere in their efforts, what was it for a photo op? Again I will say all whites are not your enemy just as all blacks are not your friend. Also, please read my post as this is what I mean by misinterpretation, it is not I who is speaking of "liberal anything" it was a repost of the conversation our initial responses were to which was written by Mr. Hambry. You seem to latch on to the part of the conversation which you want to rebut without reading the whole thing in context.
Deva Houston I need to see more
Yes. What did he say after? That was NOT the end of that last sentence….
We need to separate the idea of Police upholding the law and having a system in place to ACTUALLY serve and protect. We need a branch of government that's not about just policing us; we need one that has the advancement of any and all communities in mind: http://wh.gov/i3qdr.
^^^ Sign the petition!!!
it plays the same ad over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
Who is that young man…my mind is in that path…wake up people.. Police..acs..doctors… They all use and kill us in our community.
Jon Yanhko and this is why Blacks need to move on and build our communities up we are tired of explaining something you wouldn't understand move on with your life cause we are finally moving on with ours.
Joyce Dawson http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/unarmed-white-man-killed-by-black-cop-heres-how-the-media-reacted
Is it not the same?
Everybody has opinions. True pacifist resistance works despite the opinions…
Why near perfect? He explained it perfectly…Jay M who posted must be caucasian and felt the need 2 add 'near'…smh.
So what you are saying is that African Americans should be able to get away with murder, robberies, selling drugs, and not go to jell and just nothing happen. And then you People go and bad talk other people. And when they respond their ignorant good or bad. You will never be happy and will always find SOMETHING TO COMMPLAIN ANOUT
Niger we made it well success has fuked with you mind you are materially satisfied some wher down the road you lost you way do not look in the mirror just open your greedy eyes really frank Lewis. I repect frank Lucas first
Fuck you I want what my ancestors belt and no amount of land or live stock could best I can let you off is a bill that insures if your ancestors were slaves you should be able to go to any school you want with full access to top peir scholarship full ride and then some and I work hard and study my history just do something for the free labor and torcher. Any puck you
You mean all black people globally because they
already are fix your on first
Boy Illinois I've never clapped for a Facebook comment before, but that did it. I am curious to know if Vincent will respond.
Samuel Kim How could you understand it….? Maybe if you looked at oppression in your OWN home land you could begin to see (maybe not feel..) the injustices that plague this countries people of color….!
I think jon is right why are we playing the race card? yes the stacks were against us hell maybe they still are but we cant let it hold us back we have to keep it moving. I know I am not about to be one of those people who said " I would have been someone amazing but since I am black I didn't even get my foot in the door" and the real problem may not be the whites because i read everything and what it seems to me is that he made a comment and y'all just immediately said " oh you white you will not understand. your life is privilege" but how do y'all know? because he owns a business? maybe he had to work hard as hell for that you don't know because yall immediately shut him out partially because he is white so maybe the problem is not them but maybe the problem is us and it don't make since because we have Mexicans, and Asians slipping right in and i don't see them have the same problem we are having we are too busy looking back at a problem that went on for centuries that we not seeing that the Mexicans and Asians are taking all of our businesses and education because we taking i eye off the ball
What's the black/white blood ratio one has to have before you care what someone thinks? Do I qualify as worthy of an opinion? Do you? You look pretty light skinned. Actually, I don't really care what you think makes someone black or white. You are half the problem. I have slaves and slave owners in my blood, and none of what any of those ancestors did in their lives makes me who I am.
Roosevelt Mansfield "My sisah, they are NOT familiar with their history. Been working in the school systems for 21years…The truth does not get taught. The truth does not see the light in mainstream society. that adds to the lack of understanding of people who do not look like them."
Who produces the curriculum for schools? If white folks want to continue deceiving their own children that is totally up to them. But our children, the Black kids we take responsibility for need to know the truth, which will not happen via the public school system. We need our own institutions from early childhood up! Institutional racism goes well beyond a lack of understanding of people who do not look like them, wouldn't you agree?
Joyce Dawson definitely do not condone that behavior what so ever. but that is a rare occasion. I can show you emails bosses may have said against homosexuals, middle easterners… we cant stereotype a one time example across an entire board. I am happy to see you doing well with your success. Wish you nothing but the best as a walking example that all colors, and walks of life can be successful, well educated human beings.
Smh….400 yrs. ago? There will always be a problem when you can't even get the history right! IT LASTED FOR APX. 400 YEARS! KEY WORD l a s t e d………..it happened ONLY….key word ONLY apx. 150 YRS. AGO! And OF COURSE we still are effected by the growing seeds of racism because 150 years ago is a twinkle in the eye of human history! It's too soon for this to be over not because we don't want it to be over, but because these systems in place are still implementing the destruction and enslavement of people of color.
No all city report there crime rate to the fbi dats a fact, black on black fatalities is the most commend crime in america, thats a fact, black people or the most uneducated people in america thats a fact, and black people get the most attention when is come the race debts in america thats a fact.dont ask my Y because Y is at the end of everyday. So please dont address me address the real issue's at hand. POW !!!
I meant not all cities report there crime rate to the FBI plus I believe that blacks put more prejudice on our self than any other race because the only black business we support or barber shops and beauty salon's na tell me in lying
Even though Malcolm X was militant his philosophy was exactly opposite of the concept of being a beggar or feeling that the white man owed him something. I think you confuse him with Martin Luther King. I respect MLK, however his movement, if any movement is the one responsible for the sense of entitlement of the negro. Instead of preaching accountability, like Malcolm X, he stressed marched and pleading to be an equal instead of working and earning respect. I understand what you are trying to say but I think you are misrepresenting history. Malcom X was a realist. MLK was an idealist. I feel both methods are helpful. Like Brother Malcom would say I would rather be in charge of my own economy, religion, and people than beg someone else. Who am I kidding. Whites would still have a problem with this. This is a fact. Look at what happened in Tulsa, Ok . Look up Black Wall street. # Hotep
Joyce Dawson Your statement about Carson and Gates getting into Yale could also be applied to how Obama got into Harvard with the only difference is that he applied as a foreign exchange student which help even more. The President himself said that he was a poor performing student.
Dominick Morrilly good luck getting a response Dom…doesn't fit the narrative. Reminds me of back when the Rodney King riots happened and all the smiling faces coming out of the stores with free stuff..ask most of those looters who Rodney King was and they probably had no idea..or didn't care.
LaMarkus Guynn what do you mean you would rather see our girls twerking than being trained to shoot & kill? Who do you think will be protecting these girls & their families when they become women? Surely not the police! Not even the black men. By the time they're adults the brothers will be so far & few in-between. If you have a daughter you had better teach her to defend herself! Because a restrainig order sure as hell won't!
Jon Salud and do really think, even for one millisecond that tomorrow if the majority of people who did the hiring were black that they would not hire blacks over whites irregardless of the qualifications of the individuals? The is fast becoming a tit-for-tat world where people change is great but nobody wants to go first. Reality is that to the victor goes the spoils, and that blunt to the point part of business will not be changed.
Deva Houston is the genocide you are referring to happening in Chicago-Detroit and other like places? or in another country??
I feel that we as a people need to first address are Black on Black crime we are killing each other. We must learn to value are own people even in the music that most of the young kids were putting are women down so we place no value on each other
LaMarkus Guynn again…Jon's words don't fit the narrative that HAS to be sustained by the professional race hustlers like Sharpton..
For centuries, Europeans in Africa kept close to their military and trading posts on the coast. Exploration of the interior, home to the bulk of Africans sold into bondage at the height of the slave trade, came only during the colonial conquests, which is why Henry Morton Stanley’s pursuit of Dr. David Livingstone in 1871 made for such compelling press: he was going where no (white) man had gone before.
How did slaves make it to these coastal forts? The historians John Thornton and Linda Heywood of Boston University estimate that 90 percent of those shipped to the New World were enslaved by Africans and then sold to European traders. The sad truth is that without complex business partnerships between African elites and European traders and commercial agents, the slave trade to the New World would have been impossible, at least on the scale it occurred.
The African role in the slave trade was fully understood and openly acknowledged by many African-Americans even before the Civil War. For Frederick Douglass, it was an argument against repatriation schemes for the freed slaves. “The savage chiefs of the western coasts of Africa, who for ages have been accustomed to selling their captives into bondage and pocketing the ready cash for them, will not more readily accept our moral and economical ideas than the slave traders of Maryland and Virginia,” he warned. “We are, therefore, less inclined to go to Africa to work against the slave trade than to stay here to work against it.”
Daedae Cherry well said Daedae. There also another thing missing from the Asian and Mexican minorities in this country that I believe is having a very negative effect on the black community and that is the absence of agitators like Sharpton and Farrakan. Ask yourself why after all the the blood and death that has happened in Detroit ChiRaq, Philly etc that you never see them there??Answer is that there is no money to be made from there for them, instead they keep echoing the victims greatest motivation.."it's whiteys fault" or blame it on Bush.
While I have studied at great colleges, including Georegetown, have lived in several cities around the country and have been raised and continue to live in a great station in life, I have witnessed and experienced the systematic and systemic oppressive systems so it is easy to disagree, and I and many other privileged blacks disagree with your response. However, I do believe that integral black institutions nd organizations that have had and do possess the power to impact change have failed at uplifting blacks. Also, Ben Carson is not worthy of mention as he is the antithesis of self-help based on his hypocrisy.
"Systematically oppressed" all the way into the White House!
Wayne Ukuleleon Person Wayne, Boy's take that the black males in these tough areas would take responsibility for their kid(s) if they weren't in jail is a show stopper. Having 4-8 kids with all different last names in one single parent family does nothing but sustains the epidemic of fatherless homes in the black community. I've been at the same hospital for 18yrs and see it everyday, the Asian and Mexican women in our birthing ward are rarely alone during birth (the father is rarely absent), while the instances of a single black female being alone is disturbingly hight (a grandparentgrandma is often the only one there in support) The black community is breeding generations of self inflicted victims that will never know that they did have a chance, and sometimes a better chance than many at what life could offer them, and it's a mute point to expect anymore from the non-black community than what has been given during the last 6 years.
This was not a "Near" perfect response…this "was" a perfect response.
Jon Yanhko actually the same two people white or black with the same level of education and equal capability are paid less than his/her white counterpart..there is an issue here and its a systemic issue because the system wants society to believe that all blacks are on welfare and live in section 8 and are afforded the same opportunities but don't take advantage of them….no Jon there is always going to be an issue in society with race because Hispanics and Blacks are still seen as minorities even though these two race of people outnumber any other race in our country…but we're considered the minority right? Jon do you think most predominantly Caucasian companies would even hire a lation, black, asian or "other" if it was not for affirmative action?? Do you think these predominantly white colleges and universities would accept other races if it wasn't for affirmative action? Society teaches that the only way a black boy will end up in a racist ass former slave state like Louisiana is if he is playing football or basketball for a school like LSU. We are afforded certain rights because blacks had to fight for them because without things like affirmative action most qualified minorities would not even be allowed to work for certain companies simply based on their race/religion/ethnicity. So yes Jon other races are afforded the same opportunities or are they? Do you know most schools in poor/lower middle class neighborhoods do not even have the needed resources as other schools to help with preparation for standardized test? Bigots believe that all black people who are working minimum wage in their 30s, 40s and older are doing it because they just want to..no! It is because they cannot get the jobs that they qualify for! So until you can literally place yourself in a situation to be looked down on just because of the amount of melanin in your skin …please save the shit! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but no one wants to hear that we all are afforded the same opportunities when in fact other races are afforded opportunities with restrictions that don't take away from the advancement of the majority …the greatest country on Earth can't even be considered one because this SYSTEM contributes to the issue! We are over 50 years post civil rights and still dealing with some of the same freaking issues from 50+ years ago!
Listen to the young man
Frank, lets not be biased here, there is a certain degree of accountability which we all must hold ourselves to, and even each other, right?, BUT, you cant sit here and expect me to believe that this systematic institution of racism/oppression does not exists. There is a huge lineage of social factors/societal elements which bring about a very valuable level of context in terms of validating the existence of said "system." Lets talk about pay disparity, lack of educational resources, the racial disparity of convicted felons, the disparity of sentencing for convicted felons, etc. There's nothing you can say to me about your successful black friends to support your claim which I cant say to you about my own experiences as well as my friends to validate my point. Look beyond the scope of your surroundings. You seem to be disconnected from the reality brother. You talk about the systems which don't exists but do you honestly in you heart and soul believe that there is no legitimate claim as to the existence of the system?
Charles Carlies You do understand that the current system of keeping blacks in the urban plantation cesspools were put in place by liberal democrats to solidify a permanent voting base to keep them in power..tell me..us..that you understand that these same areas (Detroit-ChiRaq-Trenton-Newark-Philly-and the long list goes on) have been runruled by the very people who whisper sweet "nothings" in your ears during election years yet disappear with the empty promises that THEIR system tempted your vote with…
We are at war and have been for hundreds of years.
Joyce Dawson Can you quote where my blessed little heart said all were guilty? I will say that I agree there are some who may be innocent, but would you agree the vast majority are guilty, at least the sheer numbers who think a jail stint is a badge of honor. I grew up in inner city Youngstown, OH and can say that if you believe a Mayberry court is sending a bunch of innocent young men to jail for no reason then I would say the Rev. Al has mastered the art of brainwashing. Oh, and because a person doesn't subscribe to your way of thinking or an accepted media driven narrative doesn't make them uniformed..as currently being seen in Ferguson…
Agree Frank 🙂
James Richardson "leniency" was never missing from anything as it never existed in the FACTS I provided. You want to talk leniency, let's talk about the flash mobs ransacking stores nationwide..any arrests known to take place…how about the thousands of "knockout" assaults being committed by all of the out of control Amish youths..hell, maybe some on this board have no idea that this is going on, WHY? find a state run media outlet (ABC, NBC, CBS, MSDNC, NPR, CNN) that will report these things..sounds like "leniency" can have many forms.
You do understand that the current system of keeping blacks in the urban plantation cesspools were put in place by liberal democrats to solidify a permanent voting base to keep them in power..tell me..us..that you understand that these same areas (Detroit-ChiRaq-Trenton-Newark-Philly-and the long list goes on) have been runruled by the very people who whisper sweet "nothings" in your ears during election years yet disappear with the empty promises that THEIR system tempted your vote with..
War with who??
hate at any level is wrong.
Well said, very well said.
Jon Yanhko i agree that everyones opinion matters but I feel like you aren't aware of "White Privilege". It's not a theory, it's a reality. We want to earn our keep just as much as the next guy but the fact of the matter is that because of the system, whites will always be more inclined to it's benefits. So to earn what a white person has, we have to work twice as hard. We want to change the system but the problem is the people with the power to do so are sitting comfortably within the system and not willing to risk they're comfort.
Vince Farmintino Let me ask you this question: do you actually care about (as in, are you concerned about) the crime and violence that goes on in cities like Chicago and Philly OR are you simply trotting out that narrative in an attempt to win an argument?
Because surely if this is an issue you truly care about, and you aren't just invoking the ghosts of murdered black people to get some kind of "one-up" in this argument, then you know about the numerous community and government-led initiatives to reduce violent crime in those cities (most of which is gang-related, BTW), right? You know of the different education initiatives in place to get more disadvantaged youth into college and off the streets, right? You're familiar with big brother programs like "My Brother's Keeper," right?
Semaj James, If I could like this twice, I would.
white privilege doesn't exist to whites.
We need to practice group economics that's the way forward.
Valid points on both sides. However, why is there this ongoing conversation of trying to convince white people of the wrong doings of the past? Why are we not educating and uplifting ourselves? At this point in time, it is no longer their responsibility to uplift us. After almost 500 years of this, why do we still look to them for the answers to our problems?
I get it, at best for them to acknowledge it, but it is time for us as a people to come into ours on our own. Asking that of them is not only unfair, but also unrealistic. They are not going to give, and why should they? The system is jacked up, however, it is possible for us to navigate it. So what, we have to work harder, longer, and at times be better. There is nothing wrong with that, because that is what makes us so good, that we have the ability to adapt, and overcome these obstacles. However, looking to them for the answers is futile. The responsibility of self, this is what will help us, not the responsibility of them.
Very articulate, but ultimately he's not saying anything. When you start blaming "society" it's meaningless. Everyone is the society. He's anti cop, anti government, so who's going to make this change? He also said he wasn't anti white yet there's a war on people of color. By whom? He said there are black officers worse than white officers. So…what's the answer? This is just erudite complaining.
Jon Yanhko If we are not entitled to anything or should not be denied anything why are we entitled to getting our azzes kicked by police officers with no probable cause? Why are we entitled to being rejected jobs for the sake of a white woman or man being able to get the job first? Why are we entitled and subjected to misrepresentation in media? Why are we denied equal opportunity? Why are most of us denied loans when we want to start our own businesses? Why are our children denied proper education because they live in low income communities? You are in denial and have adopted an attitude of sheer hate and malice. America has and continues to oppress so called black people. It is even more obvious to me after earning a college degree. This place is filled with sick, demented, hateful people like yourself that can't see past your hate. You rather remain in denial and say stupid shit like "blacks have the same opportunity everyone else does."
It seems as if you are on the effeing coon train. Just because you and a small percent of blacks you know have made it does not mean there isn't a system in place to destroy the black community. Whites love dumb educated blacks like you who would trade your own just because you have so called "made it." Let me inform you on something, blacks have not "made it" until we all have. It doesn't matter if you have great success, if you are not using your success to build our nation that makes you a great part of the problem. People like you are the worst! Yes, I am college educated and have a great job but I have not "made it" until my people have. When I have made enough, my plan is to figure out ways to go back to those low income communities (something the system does not like educated blacks to do) and educated my people on how to "make it." Jump off the dam COON TRAIN and snap your azz back into reality! It is people like you Al Sharpton, Bill Cosby, Jessie Jackson and a plethora of other Coons that make it completely IMPOSSIBLE to abolish this wicked azz system. Dumb educated, successful coons always pride themselves on their success and belittle your own people because you have your 0.5% piece of American shit pie! Wake the hell up and understand that you have not "made it" until we as a whole have. Also, to these saltine crackers jumping on your bandwagon and feeding off of your stupidity, not every so called successful black person is going to jump on that coon train. Most educated intelligent blacks understand the importance of unity and seeing our own rise above this sick system. So, you may have gotten points with this guy but for my self and others you are still at ZERO.
Alejandro Gomez I will acknowledge that not all whites may receive the greatest of they're privilege but all whites definitely are definitely.
You are so correct sista! There is no peace with these people.
Tod Eleanor you are ignorant, and uneducated in race relations if you think ( as you stated) you see Black people as equal but they see you as an oppressor. Have you ever studied or taken a Black history course? All Black students take U.S. history so we are educated in what is taught but we also know what is not taught in school books. Most Whites on the other hand lack education from a complete education historically which formed the society in which we live. So just because you see yourself as equal does not mean others do. Most white people were not raised to think they are equal, they are taught the opposite in there homes a nd their churches.
LaMarkus Guynn your comment about Qadaffi is spot-on. While many people of various backgrounds have made an admirable effort in order to "make it" (in American or elsewhere) without waiting for true justice in our system, we simply cannot ignore that a global system of "western" domination continues to chug along behind ever more sophisticated facades.
The white guy is not ignorant about the oppression of black people. No white person I have ever asked who claimed that there isno system of racism (white domination) was willing to take $1 million even tell everyone in their personal or business life that they were black for the rest of their lives. White folks take us for a ride everytime we think we're educating them about racism.
—If anyone is ignorant about racism, it's black people.
Vince Farmintino at which point in history did America (White or otherwise, social or institutional) decide to truly do right by Black people? It's a serious question, and I would like to hear your response.
IMHO, one form of oppression has been replaced by another. Slavery end. KKK, segregation and industrial ghettos ensue. Segregation ends, prison industrial complex and criminalization of social issues (drugs) follows on its heels. Do you have ANY idea what the impact of drug laws/sentencing has been on poor communities of color/families? Furthermore, there has ALWAYS been a corresponding media campaign that goes along with each new form of oppression. Whether it is blackface, COPS, or your evening news.
2nd question: At what point did "Western" colonialism/neo-colonialism/capitalism decide to stop raping the African people/continent of its resources? It is also a serious question, and I would like to hear your response.
Here are 2 KEY QUESTIONS directed toward my fellow white people (particularly those who believe that black people should "stop complaining" about oppression):
1st question: At which point in history did America (White or otherwise, social or institutional) decide to truly do right by Black people? It's a serious question, and I would like to hear your response.
2nd question: At what point did "Western" colonialism/neo-colonialism/capitalism decide to stop raping the African people/continent of its resources? It is also a serious question, and I would like to hear your response.
The basis of this case is an unarmed human-being being gunned down in the middle of the street by law enforcement. Wrong is wrong regardless of skin color. Now, with it happening to be a white cop against a black male, it opens the issue up to the racism that's still alive and well in America. When you think of the term "racism" it automatically comes into mind of black vs. white. Honestly when black people stop putting white people on a pedestal, that's when the true healing can begin. With worrying about what white people see us as is sumblinally saying that their thought is the most important. Don't get me wrong our system in America is screwed up, but black people mainly come together when something like this happens. Uplifting and bettering your community should be the main priority. It starts at home… Other cultures come to America and thrive and build communities; whereas, black people have been here for a long time and our communities are still struggling. In poor black communities the people come from broken homes, poor education systems, and little guidance on how to better themselves. So instead of looking for the "white man" to fix our problems, we need to figure out to make things better ourselves. There are so many amazing and educated black people, there's no reason that "we" should not be doing better at this point. I can go on and on but I'll leave it with this…. If we truly stick together as a culture (like falsely claim we do) we can really be something to be reckoned with.
This guy completely contradicts himself… he says he never mentions black, white, or people… yet he continues to talk about a system that oppresses people that look like "him".. "him" being black. All this shit is just poor me poor me talk! Stop using slavery and racism as an excuse for your own problems which you refuse to fix yourselves.
its never going to stop, never going to get better. god new this. this goes along with the phrase in the bible where it says there will be wars and rumors of wars. no pain no strife no oppression will only come after the last comeing. now let someone make something negative about this. yes I am white but I am ag good person with love and understanding. I watch the entire exchange on pbs-ket.
Jon Yanhko spoken like one who is privileged and doesn't even know it.. Just the simple fact that you believe there is no problem shows that you are living in a world of unicorns and rainbows…
Roosevelt Mansfield What #WEALTH AND ECONOMICS HAVE NO COLOR.Means a book doesn't care about color, a stock symbol, forex chart,real estate deal, money market account, etc don't know color.
What is this guys name he is a intelligent young man
Deva Houston Was thinking the exact same thing, thanks for the link!
The way we are depicted in society is used as a weapon of justification for the injustices we face. I wish there could be more positive depictions of the African American Community because it is not all drugs, violence, ignorance, gangs…. the list goes on and on. I wish that the only success that we are seen to have in large isn't only that of our athletic talents. Our younger generations are looking at these reflections of our community as truth and the expectations for us is so low. It truly saddens me.
If you want to make a change you must do it within the system. I see an enormous amount of people who want to change the system, but have no idea where to start. You start by taking positions in the system of power. Change doesn't come from standing outside the system and complaining. I love how the older lady asked the rapper why didn't he join the city council, and demand that the police chief of Ferguson by removed. He basically said the same things that everyone else here says. He doesn't have time for that, or it wouldn't make a difference, but the reality these are the parts of the system that do make a difference. You simply choose not to participate. These are the positions consist of the individuals that YOUR community ELECTED to have represent you. Perhaps, if you wanted someone that LOOKED like you to represent you, you should become more informed about who you are ELECTING to represent you. You are the ones who voted for these people to represent you. Why don't you run for city council? Why don't you become the difference?
I would like to watch this. Where can I watch the entire video?
White people are the problem. Period. Full Stop. nothing further.
I would've LOVED to see this whole exchange. from the excerpt, it seems like the conversation was forced. this conversation wasnt even about the black man vs the white man's arguments. the hostess clearly forced the opposition between the two men, neither of whom were directly addressing each other in the way the hostess implied. they both made valid points, but I would like to see a true open forum rather than one meant to force racial awareness or whatever motive this woman actually had.
Me to I need to see the whole exchange .
Certain white races in this country were thought of as apes and thats not to equivicate the black struggle to the Irish struggle but no one is gonna fix it for you.Theres blacks out there who refuse to be victim's who will succeed and bring their success money and influence back to their communities one person at a time that will gradually change the systems under which African Americans live.
Daniel Cohen you're not going to get a straight answer from him, he's only here to troll. Just like in the video the young man is talking about accountability and community responsibility and the white guy disagrees solely on principle. To him, combating White Supremacy and the system that is racism, he is being personally targeted and it is hurting his family. When people think that way they are declaring themselves against you. They are not allies, they are telling you as clear as day that they are your enemy. Like I said, it doesn't matter where I have this conversation, there's always one that will seek to destroy the authentic productivity of the dialogue and turn it around to be about them. Thank you for your thought though, that's proof alone that one doesn't have to share my skin color to see my reality.
Ahabyah Of'Zion first off your passion for wanting to lift your people up is commendable. With that said, would you also accept, good or bad, the outcome of an isolationist type of thinking? I know from my own experience as a white boy raised in inner city Youngstown, OH and from there to the Marines (4 yrs in MideastNorthern Africa) to the Sherrifs Dept and finally the last 17yrs at my current job that at some point in my travels that i've been the windshield and the bug. I've been helped by people of all races, people of different ethnic backgrounds. The one constant is that I have never been hired by a poor person. I have been turned down for 3 major jobs directly related to the color of MY skin. Ohio State Highway Patrol, US Post Office, and the Ohio turnpike commission. My scores for all 3 were in the top 2 in each instance, but they were only hiring minoritieswomen at that time. How does this relate to what you or Mr. Lewis posted? Well, I could have, and I won't lie it was tempting to launch my own personal campaign of hate towards minorities and Liberal Democrats whose policies were a brick wall for me at the time, or I can use that anger-frustration and forever sat at the "pity party table for one". I'm glad I didn't, although I had every selfish right to do so.
I think everyone from all sides of the isle should be very wary of the articulate snake oil salesmen out there..you mentioned the worst of them all in Al Sharpton. He's down for the cause alright, as long as it lines his and MSDNC's pocketbook..no money to be made trying to stop the slaughter of young black males in Detroit-ChiRaq-Philly and 100's of other places that he and the Liberal DNC SYSTEM has successfully put in place as a twisted perverted version of a modern urban cesspool plantation. Why?? Why would groups do this knowing the 3rd world conditions that exist in those places and where I even grew up…VOTES!! Keeps them living the high life and gives them the one thing in a world where to the "victor goes the spoils"….POWER… the power to control and the greed that goes with it can destroy the foundations of any home, church, community. Yes the RHINOs on the right (Republicans) are just a complicit as they share the same thirst for the same greed and POWER that keeps %90 of the population from aspiring to what they could become…their replacements.
Your passion for wanting to inspire and raise your people to achieve a better life is admirable, just remember that as the guy on the street corner begging for food could be a test disguised as an angel so could the person you is different than you in every way..
Watch the video (again if necessary) and your question will be answered.
I love having a dialogue like this!
"so could the person you meet that is different than you in every way." –corretion
Racial profiling is wrong on any level; regardless of which direction it is coming from. However, I must say that it is comments such as this one that has been embedded in the minds of so many people that they begin to believe that shooting and killing is the answer to everything; the only means of survival. This mind frame has caused those of who do think this way to be part of that negative generationalization and stereotype. We have to understand that sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
Daniel Cohen I appreciate the civil post and I will respond today when I get done coaching my 3 sons football teams today (glad I had boys:)..
Angelo, how about WE do a reset and try a different route on this conversation as I believe we both have made valid points and can most be surprised at the way we both see things based on the each of our personal histories. I'm willing how about you?
Wow! So in your estimation we are equal, and the plight of the African is solely based on the interactions within the home; additionally, there's equality across the board; so there should be no need for affirmative action, after school programs, or subsidies for those in need. Because, by your estimation, "everyone has the same rules" and "it all starts at home."
I couldn't agree more. My son graduated from a predominately white, private college and the first question we both were asked was if the was there on a football scholarship. No….academic!!!! He earned it!!!! I don't know what ever happened to personal accountability. I guess it's just easier to point the finger at other people. Now don't get me wrong, I do acknowledge that some serious issues and concerns exist, but not everything is someone else's fault.
Jon Yanhko I hate playing this game. This wordy debate of entitlement and ignorance, this word racism flung so freely back and forth. Frankly I'm sick of it, and I'm only replying to you in the hope that you'll both realize something you're overlooking and for anyone else whose been both feeding you positivity and negativity an understanding of the redundancy of their statements.
I'm Black. I'm Black, because my ancestors from Jamaica are black. I'm black because those Jamaican ancestors come from Africa. And I'm Black in America, because those people were brought to Jamaica to be slaves. They were not brought with the mentality of equality. They were brought to be free labor.
That's past, not future. I dont have to personally look past it. I'm not struggling against slavery, a fight that needed an entirely different kind of warrior. What are we struggling against now? Being a part of that demographic in america. Being seen as looking for a handout. Looking to be "Given" somthing. I'm not from a class that relies on handouts to live, but that class exists, and does so regardless of skin color. However the color of my skin dictates that I must be entitled,right? Or so you say. That's how you say it. How you see it. Your equality does not equal mine.
I have been hired to sell to a demographic. I have seen those denied because they do not fit the bill. Not given a chance to even try. Profiling happens at a level you're choosing to ignore, and by ignoring it you're fostering it. You're referring to this as "Your" Struggle. No, this is "Our" Struggle. Stop letting many of us see you as a belligerent, entitled Caucasian male. Let them understand that you understand, not that you're "Sympathetic." Sympathy helps no one.
Those you struggle against will be relentless. You're feeling the bite of the oppression of people of one , solidly and partly ignorant mind over Facebook. Some of these responses I see as more racist than any I've encountered. Yours, I see through a lens of fostered ignorance, a system brought you up with illusion to its fairness and perfection.
America was built on the oppression of people. Do not think that because it is the 21st century we've overcome it completely. As a student I pay a tax to be a student. Do you understand? So random, but so relevant. It's not even about my meager money, its about the control it provides.
It's not so easy to change somthing hundreds of years in the making. But what you call complaining, is systematic change, and it has to start somewhere. Be a part of understanding, not sympathizing.
Vince and Samuel, when the cops pull over your well to do and highly educated Black friends, to that backward thinking cop, all Black people are criminals, and especially Black men. That's the difference!
Wow! Interesting! #wealthandeconomicshavenocolor. Young man, you have no idea how wrong you truly are.
Vince Farmintino We understand that but the issue is what they have to go through in their efforts to succeed is not what you go through in your effort to succeed.
People who think like you are called stupid…..
waaa waaa waaa. stop committing crimes and blaming white people.
David McNeal, you are right money sees no color, but the cops and others do! If you still don't get it, see comments posted by Frank Lewis.
Ahabyah stating that you are more qualified for the job than another individual is purely subjective. In regards to you having the less opportunities for advancement than whites is purely asinine. There are no minority scholarships for whites, EOEs weren't created for white people. The minority children in my city have the option to be bussed to schools in another district to integrate them into "white schools". There are no city busses for children living within a district. The government has and continues to provide more opportunities for people of color, and yet you continue to complain about how the system is OPPRESSING you. You have been given every opportunity to succeed, and yet you would rather have another handout. Get real! This isn't 1960.
Jon Yanhko Slavery? You think that oppression and systemic racism ended in the 1860s? You do not realize that the implementation of the Civil Rights Act and other legislation happened in the latter 60s and 70s?
That's the issue of disconnect that people don't get. It isn't about "racist whites". "Racist Whites" have to answer to their Creator… But this system…The System…The Government. The Institutions…must answer to the citizens. A segment of which happens to continuously face harassment, dehumanization, and destruction from that system…
So don't take it personally…unless you personally have issues internally that you're dealing with…But THE SYSTEM…does not belong to you alone…thus it should not benefit a segment of the population to the detriment of other segments of that same population…which it has been doing since before you and I were born and continues to do while we live. Stop acting like racism/biases/oppression are only tied to chattel slavery. Try getting your head out of the clouds and join us here on Earth.
LOL…you fail to acknowledge what people go through until such time that issue is visited upon you. And the more you fail to acknowledge the deeper and harsher it will be when it does visit you. But that's okay…when it does happen…don't look to these same people you are claiming speak nonsense for help. But you will. And guess what? You will receive the assistance you need.
It all makes sense… you're from Alabama.
Samuel Kim Your friends are not everyone. People don't tell you everything they go through…why? because like the person you're patting on the back…they don't want to be labeled…they want to be accepted. But there are those who could give two flips about your acceptance…or anything about your labels. Ignoring someone who has been wronged doesn't make their issues less real. If you don't want to hear it…close your ears as you have been doing.
Actually I take that back. You should be MORE aware of the struggles of the African American community because instituationalized AND interpersonal racism is so prevalent in your home state. I guess ignorance is bliss sometimes.
I agree with comments on the poor not racism I keep hearing because I'm black when its because your poor or have poor attitude I deal with reverse racism daily ive dealt with police harassment myself I see racism as well I see more reverse by far in todays society the police target the poor because they don't have the means or know how to fight back lets start dealing the actual problems to presume racism while responding is giving attitude and racist don't give them reasons.
Here's another brick wall!
That's true Leonard Stewart, Just like the Germans around the Concentration Camps during the Holocaust who denied that they didn't knew of the slaughtering behind the walls even when they smelled the burning flesh of the victims and the smoke from the crematoriums, People tend to ignore the Truth around them and look for excuses.
David McNeal, you are right money sees no color, but the cops and others do! If you still don't get it, see comments posted by Frank Lewis.
Phillip Agnes is one of the great leader of the new Civil Rights Movement
It's true there is a huge percentage of minorities in general not just blacks that blame society for their ills ans woes, but do not look toward themselves.No one told you to sell drugs or use it you did.No one told you to shoot someone or kill someone you did.So if you are not willing to change for yourself, do not expect society as a whole to give you a hand out just because.You have to earn your respect and stripes.It is you that has to take back was was taken by educating yourself to better your surroundings.Just because one person closes the doors in your face, does not mean that everyone is against you.I too came from a poor background but did not let that phase me.I didn't go out and use or sell drugs to get by, I went to school educated myself and bettered my surroundings, because I did not want to depend on the government to get me where I am today.I feel it is today's parents that instill this hatred into their kids and do not properly show them how respect & class is earned not given.They tend to let society and school raise them when it should be there responsibility.
I am soo happy that Vince has his six digit salary and 3 sons whom he (glad they're boys, They're not targets either dude, be glad they're not shot down by The Police) can go and play football with and smile and say to Angelo: Hey buddy we can discuss this some other time when I get done with my White privileges. To Vince Farmintino: Hey buddy, Never mind the discussions, Just keep right on enjoying your White Privileges because you are of no help at all to the Human Cause, Enjoy your Life and don't worry about the real issues, It's Better that Way. Because you are here just to troll. Right??? Riiiiiiiight!!!
For my fellow white people. Admitting the system is flawed and listening to people outside of your ethnicity talk about what they have to deal with and UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTING is not admitting you're a racist or even mean black people think all white people are racist. You have to stop being defensive and listen.
This exchange was super interesting, but I am on the verge of puking at the title. It just shows that we are going nowhere in this whole argument. It's like no matter what we listen to, we will immediatley attack the white mans opinion because it doesn't SOUND like he's in support of it even if he clarifies he IS in support of it. This is fuckin pathetic honestly. And I know this will be taken as racist as well cause I'm a white kid.
I have notice about blacks we not welling to die for are respect , every race that demand respect and willing to die for respect they get respect the Chinese , Korean , even the Japanese blood shed is what they respect u can't reason with people that's beyond reasoning !!!! Truth
Jon Yanhko I'm not "entitled" to anything but air. What some white Americans don't seem to understand is the blatant disrespect, disenfranchisement, and disorder of the American system. Being called a name is 1 thing. Being totally alienated from who you are, where you came from, your traditions, your religion, is another. Sir, it is not a simple fix for "Black Americans". Unless the entire way of thinking of "White Americans" changes.
Cm it is the black community that CHOOSES to not become part of the system. Your representatives are ELECTED by you. If you want to become part of the solution you can get involved in the government. This oppression copout is a total fallacy. If it were anywhere based on fact it would apply to a group as a WHOLE, which it does not. There are numerous BLACK leaders within the system. It is no easier for a poor white man to become a politician than it is for a poor black man. If there are members of a group that have succeeded that have faced the exact same barriers that you face, and overcome them. Your argument is invalid.
System Shmystem. Stop blaming people for everything. There is no system stopping you from going to the library.
I live in Germany and Angela Merkl is the Kranzler (simlar to The P.O.S.) of Germany and she comes from the East of Germany which was Communism and she's of the minority but Todd Leonard thinks that because we have a Black President it's different now, The East Germans still get paid half of what the West Germans receives.
Cm Whitener i've read every post on this thread and after 2 days it seems that if you don't agree to the current narrativebelief then your a racist…not a good way to advance a discussion. The sheer amount of statements that start off with "you need to___" "you have to_____" and other orders that most non-blacks would perceive as type of social bullying.
White peopleemployers are not the most serious threat to the black community, I strongly believe unabated illegal immigration poses a more current serious threat to the advancement of black people.
and another thing to think about, do realize how much of the tax money the gov't takes from all working whites that supports the whole entitlement system? Whether whites like the taxes being used for that purpose is irrelevant. Without that support there would be no EBT, no medicaid, no Obamacare, so if there were just a little acknowledgement for the good that most whites do in the world, maybe conversions would be more warmly welcomed. just a thought…
Jon Yanhko How do you know? Was it the Irish community who chose to be placed in ghettos when they immigrated here? LOL…
Or the Jewish community who chose the Holocaust? Wait…it was the Japanese who chose the internment camp and Natives chose the reservations…
You cannot make my argument invalid…You have to make a legitimate argument to begin with…You're not judge nor jury. So spare me.
You could learn a thing or two by listening to people…but you don't feel you have to…why is that?
There are rules and there are exceptions to the rule. There are people who achieve outside of the system…not because of it. I take it that you never studied science or mathematics…
Vince Farmintino I don't know what you've read…but let me see where I said anything about calling people racists…no. If you don't want to answer for ALL White people…don't come to me asking me to answer for people I don't know…let's start there…
I spoke of a system. Not of people. I can work with a racist person everyday…have and do. They are not my issue. They don't have to answer to me, nor I to them. I will love them like anyone else…and hope they seek some spiritual guidance to aid them in their afflictions.
So…I honestly don't care how you or anyone else feel about racism. And I swear I work with, employ, and work for Black folks, Indian folks, Asian folks etc who pay taxes every day…what do White people doing the same things these people are doing have to do with anything here? Please don't pretend that White people are the only people who pay taxes… I have some people you need to meet and speak with if that's what you believe. SMH…
I wish I could get away with not paying taxes…say like ohhh some Hedge Funds and S-Corps…
Do you really believe the only people who pay into social programs are White and the only people who benefit from them are other than White? LOL…boy I tell ya…
The true gift of wisdom is realizing what you don't know…here's an opportunity for you.
Jon Yanhko Didn't I already tell you that Africans DID NOT have slaves! Africans were not kept against their will. They had servitude not slaves. The people who came into Africa and introduce a slave system were Arabs & Europeans as they conspired together. It was Arabs who captured Africans & sold them into India. Europeans & Arabs also introduced a caste system into India (which India was originally inhabited by Africans ie Dravidians/Dalit aka Black Untouchables). That was part of the Trans Saharan Slave Trade which took place shortly after Arabs invaded Egypt circa 8th Century AD. Which was after Europeans ie Greeks & Romans invaded Egypt and took some of the African Egyptians into bondage. Slavery is an European invention the Romans were notorious for owning slaves ie Gladiators. Arabs also captured the Taj Mahal which used to be a Hindu Temple. Arabs had guns & canons that they received from Europe so they like the Europeans were able to be the aggressor. Now if you have a gun pointed at your head & a canon pointed at your village what would you do? Would you sacrifice a few in order to save whats left of the village? A lot of those queens & kings were forced to give up their people to Arabs & Europeans. Arabs are enslaving Africans in Africa today. Europeans are exploiting African tribes such as the Khoisans for a herbal plant called "hoodia" which helps with weight loss. There is a documentary on youtube that talks about the exploitation that is being committed to the Khoisans. Similar to how Cecil Rhodes started the exploitation of the diamonds in S. Africa region which lead to conflict diamonds & many deaths. Maybe you should just leave this topic alone because you are clearly not part of the Solution. You are part of the problem. The problem is you are stating that a human being can commit a horrific act to another human being and the criminal does not have to repair what damage was done to the victim. Instead the victim has to get over it and "earn" their right to be treated as a human being. Thats like a defendant not having to pay restitution to a plaintiff when the defendant causes harm to the plaintiff. Instead the plaintiff has deal with their loss even if the victim was raped. You have yet to answer my question….Should Africans go and rape, pillage, steal & kill Europeans or even other races so they can "Earn It" ???
Jon Yanhko legislation and the people responsible for executing the legislature are two entirely different things and that's where we get a big problem at
Vince Farmintino We do have lots of immigrants in America and they actually pay more taxes than any citizen. So thank you Latino Asian man, not my fellow American cousin.
Jon Yanhko not even sure why we are entertaining a debate with you..This office manager and so called business owner which his title and previous statement on this forum clearly states doesn't have the emotional intelligence to think outside of himself.. it does take a special kind of white person to do so and if they(meaning white persons) are not willing because it creates feelings of dissonance no need to convince..clearly he doesn't want to put forth that energy based on his argument..Like Marcia Judkins mentioned earlier we can't afford to care what they think because it ultimately becomes a detriment to us.
The real problem is the division in communities… OUR people… THEIR people… Racism, sexism and other prejudicial issue will only truly end when we will stop seeing a difference between our people and their people. And for those that tells me "what do you know about racism, you are white" I'll tell them I'm also a ginger.
KEEP THIS SH!T OFF OF TV.IT WILL BE INFILTRATED AND DESTROYED. IT PROBABLY ALREADY HAS.
Vince Farmintino, I am from the south side of Youngstown and just had this conversation last night with a friend that I grew up with, who like myself, has a graduate level education and worked HARD to achieve the American dream. I truly believe that folks, no matter who they are or where they come from, if they are intent on achieving their success story they will do that. You cannot achieve anything by waiting on someone else to do it for you or to expect handouts. The line is too long.
Samuel Kim I'm sure they worked a lot harder than your other white friends to get through.
How can the black race be blaming the white race for their problems? You're telling me that it's the whites fault that blacks are committing crime at obscenely high numbers, and are not becoming helpful to our society? Slavery is constantly brought up as something that is holding the black race back even today. How can you use an excuse like that? Slavery has been removed for over 200 years. That is probably 10 generations or more from the blacks living today. How does something that happened to your family 10 generations ago still affect you today? That is just an excuse as to why as a race you have still not caught up with and adapted to the world we live in today. Stop making excuses and start making changes
The biggest problem I see with my generation is the mentality that the system is against them completely and fire is fought with fire. I think that mentality has generationaly disconnected many from learning what rights they do have. I think many young people don't bother to learn there rights under the assumption they will be taken away based on there race (which can and does happen). But if you do not know your rights to begin with you stand no chance. I think the riots in Ferguson are a prime example of fighting back with more fire. Those that robbed stores and trashed public property did absolutely nothing to further a cause, in fact they probably cemented many peoples opinions against them. I think investing in education about everyone's rights as citizens and the most influential ways to solve a problem would be the best way to fight back against the system mentioned in the video. I say this being a young white man from a small town, so maybe I am ignorant of certain aspects of this. The white man in the video did a poor job of explaining his side of the issue (I am not sure what he was trying to say exactly) but I think this is the sentiment many white people have on the issue.
I believe that what he is saying is that no matter how far you move up the social ladder due to hard work. That system still has the ability to impact you and your life. For instance when you are involved in a traffic stop whether you did something wrong or not. If the officer that is doing the stop views you as a threat based upon his emotions and what he believes you can still be a statistic. There is no form of preparation or education that will change a person perception of you. Regardless of how you dress, where you graduated from the one thing you cannot change is your skin color.
Frank Lewis, thank you for your post. I agree, folks have to change the dialogue to empowerment and responsibility just as you have. I have no tolerance for the excuses that I hear and quite honestly the victim's mentality that so many abled body folks seem to have. Its passed down and is now part of culture. It has to change. There are no fourty acres and no mules being given out folks…you have to earn your own and control your own destiny in this world.
Vince Farmintino White man committed murder way before a black man did in
America. Fbi and their statistics mean nothing.
Me saying I am statistically better off based on the fact that I am a white male does not improve your life one bit. I think a large majority of my generation would love to see equality. Do I have a statistical advantage? Absolutely yes. Will me admitting that change anything? I don't think so. Should I give up my advantage out of guilt? I won't provide less for my family because I was born into a society that on average gives me a leg up. All I can do is treat people as people. If someone is smart, works hard, is honest, I want them in my life.
Vince Farmintino you are so unlearned and very ignorant. And you are maybe right about some things too. But we are by no means weak , we were made slaves by the hand of God not white man.
Do you know the difference between a community and a hood. Tulsa ok, had a black community and it was burned down to the ground.
@terry Moore, there must be a misunderstanding so I'll rewrite my post. "Wow! Interesting! #wealthandeconomicshavenocolor. (Insert !!LOL!!)" there are very few points in Lewis' post I agree with; hence, the reason I stated he doesn't know hiring he truly is.
Frank Lewis Let me make sure I understand you..If black people are not mastering economics such as you have done then we are in a sense doomed to lives of mediocrity?? or are you saying much like Napolean Hill's claims of enthusiasm creativity, transmutation can translate into a success as a human being..Just curious to know based on the autobiography you gave and all the bad choices you made in your younger years were you really not given an opportunity or happen to be in the right place at the right time when the opportunity presented itself to get you where you are today..I believe that most black people at least in this country have no choice but to create their opportunity..we are not given the opportunity because inherantly we are never in the right place at the right time for those opportunities to fall in our laps..Those situations and circumstances were created for hundreds of years for whit folk here in America..Malcolm Malcolm Gladwell speaks truth to power when he gives reference to Outliers..It takes successful individuals like yourself to bring those opportunities to your people(Black People)..If you are doing so great continue to soldier that..If not don't just be a mouthpiece of rhetoric that doesn't truly inspire..
Why is Todd being treated as some authority of "Whitedom"? He is willfully ignorant in his *ivory* tower. It's clear he doesn't wish to see outside the box. It requires to much effort for his delicate sensibilities.
DaRevolution Willbe Digitized the point I was trying to make is its bad that we live in a society in which dancing is seen as a bad thing & shooting a gun is seen as a good thing. We should not have to be in a position in which we have to protect ourselves in such a manner in which a gun is needed. There are plenty of tribes & cultures on Earth that spend time dancing even in the nude who remain isolated so they don't have to worry about carrying a gun. So are they wrong or right?
Joyce Dawson, what did you do when the email was made available to you.
Jon Yanhko Jon Yanhko not even sure why we are entertaining a debate with you..This office manager and so called business owner which his title and previous statement on this forum clearly states doesn't have the emotional intelligence to think outside of himself I lived in Huntsville, AL where this guy is from or at least lives and it makes even more why he would share this type of sentiment.. it does take a special kind of white person to do so and if they(meaning white persons) are not willing because it creates feelings of dissonance no need to convince..clearly he doesn't want to put forth that energy based on his argument..Like Marcia Judkins mentioned earlier we can't afford to care what they think because it ultimately becomes a detriment to us.
Myrna S. Leonard 15 yrs ago I was fired from a job because I had braids. My so called supervisor said my braids did not fit the code or look that the company expects to have. I tried my best at that particular time to get enough evidence so I could sue. But since the white male supervisor already had it out that he was going to fire me he did not even put in writing why I was being fired. So basically it was my word vs His in a society in which majority of the people who look like him control the judicial system. So what opportunities can we really expect to have with "them" if they discriminate against us not only based on our skin tone but even how we wear our own hair, hair in which we have had long before "they" were on the Earth. Why do we have to be put in a position where we have to dress like them, talk like them, walk like them, wear our hair like them in order to make it in their corrupt system. Assimilation has never been the solution to making a change because all you are doing is becoming similar to the one who is causing the oppression. As far as shooting vs dancing…..I'll take dancing every day because dancing typically does not lead to losing a life but a shooting does.
Give a nigga a college degree a 50-75k a year job a house in the burbs and they go house on ur ass iam in the field sell outs wit y'all wacky ass comments lmao the hood dnt want y'all back anyway bitch!!!!!!
What people need to understand is that racism is a distraction. There are people in control, with real power, who perpetuate racism to keep us blind and distracted from real issues while they rule the world. They want to us without any sense of unity so they can take full advantage of us with no resistance. Wake up!
Amen sister! Spot on!
Mr. Farmintino I mean no disrespect my friend but you can miss me with that propaganda. History, archaeology, and even the Scriptures prove that the Palestinians have been there for thousands of years. But you are taking away from my point. My point is why can the Jews continue to bring up the Holocaust and no one criticizes them yet when we as black people talk about slavery we are villainized
Mr. Farmintino I mean no disrespect my friend but you
can miss me with that propaganda. History,
archaeology, and even the Scriptures prove that the
Palestinians have been there for thousands of years.
But you are taking away from my point. My point is why
can the Jews continue to bring up the Holocaust and no
one criticizes them yet when we as black people talk
about slavery we are villainized
Everyone needs to agree to disagree here. The heading of this story refers to the white man as ignorant; to me that was not the proper term to utilize in that reference, rather it should have been a chance to hear his perspective and other white peoples perspective on the issue. That would help the Black community to find ways to spread Information based on how we as Black people want to be perceived as (in a positive way) it is obvious, all he has heard is very different in comparison to what the reality is.
Great discussion. Well worth the time to watch and learn. It's that same broken system that brought me to it though. The headline is racist. "Ignorant white man" Wrong. Why bash a man for joining an open discussion to bring both calm point of view and respectful insight? I happen to disagree with him but you can not learn and improve without knowing all the information.
Sensational, click bait, headlines drive this issue the wrong way. News has become theater for ratings and in turn money and greed.
Again great video but shame on Altantablackstar.com for the headline.
Vince Farmintino Here again lies the issue ..You start of your statement off kind of in an objective fashion that seemed palatable..then you give a an ignorant ass statement like in my view Jews got the worst end of the deal..Over 100 million African slaves were obliterated in the Atlantic slave trade..those that survived worked 400 more years building and creating FOR FREE in this so called great country that we currently reside in..given names of their slave masters..Dude if you can't understand the economic advantage this created for most white people even those immigrant Italians that came after the fact then I hope you don't work on budgets at your job. ..6 million Jews died during the holocaust those that survived were given land(a country Israel) were able to keep their names justifying their lineage back to that country..Opinion based in no facts
I think education is the first step to solving this issue. As you can see the Black man who spoke is well educated. Obviously he valued education
I have to watch the whole thing also. He was right on point.
It's sad when people think there isn't a system. Read Tom Burrell's book Brainwashed. It shows the problem, and the root of problems our people face. Things don't go on unless a system supports it. Just because the system allows a FEW blacks to succeed, that doesn't mean the blacks who weren't give a fair chance, didn't try.
I think White Privilege can be summed up as "born on second base but thinking you hit a double."
There is inherent forgiveness in the system for being white. The War on Drugs proves that: where blacks are arrested and incarcerated disproportionately to whites even though each uses drugs at the same rate.
And then there's the notion of "personal responsibility". Why is it that Whites can constantly mention the need for Blacks to take personal responsibility for their actions when whites refuse ANY responsibility for the system they've built and maintain and that rewards them, with forgiveness, for simply being white? Ok, you want the black man to take personal responsibility but at the same time you as a white man are willing to take ZERO personal responsibility.
In the end, one of the most powerful benefits of White Privilege is enjoying the willful ignorance that it exists.
yeah wtf is up with this watch this… then cut it off. A bit of false advertising on the title as the "white male" does not appear ignorant at all either
Vince Farmintino those European so called Jews are now trying to kick out the Ethiopians who are living in Israel. Israel became wealthy due to Suez Canal which is a major trade route that Europeans & Arabs have control over. However they gained that control due to the invasions that took place in N. Africa by Europeans & Arabs.They also became wealthy due to their money laundering and money lending tactics as a lot of their money that is lend out finances wars. Lastly keep in mind that the Europeans who call themselves Jews are not really Jews, they just converted to practice Judaism. As far as crime in Detroit, Chicago etc… wherever there is poverty there is crime. Since Africans in America as a whole now make up the lowest income wage earners due to the lack of good jobs then you will see more crime in the areas in which they inhabit. The system set that up long time ago to keep Africans poor. The system which Europeans develop want to keep Africans poor so majority of European women won't marry & have children with African men. Basically European males greatest fear is genetic annihilation which is really a punk way of living this thing called Life.
Be aware that this IS the problem. When this discussion comes up white people go on the defensive. " I have never".." My family never"…. even if you keep it neutral they make it personal. We need to make this about the issue and not allow people to try to explain it away with their personal part in it… This is a systematic problem.If you are an American you have some skin in this game.
Cherice Cardwell He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. I only wish his words were true and not just indicative of his degree of cluelessness.
It's scary how many people say it's all the white man's fault and bla bla bla.
First of all, nobody in this discussion has been a slave — ancestors, maybe.. you, no.
Second of all, you can't blame "white people" for your problems or the biggest part of slavery in the past because we're not all the same…such as my family weren't slave owners — so why should I be grouped with the people whose family were slave owners? Why should they, the families that go back to slave-owners, take responsibility for something they never even did? Stop trying to fight racism while being racist… then you will not be taken seriously.
Third of all, blame the thing that actually IS the problem… such as the government, the police force and people like Al Sharpton who promotes racism and follows through with evil without any remorse of human lives.
…and finally, if you're going to sit there and talk about the slave-days… then let's not forget, white people OWNED slaves, but black people are the ones who were sold by their own people.
Now — here it comes, call me a racist for having an opinion. But you can't fight racism while being racist… and yes, messing with people for being white IS racist. Racism isn't just against black people/brown people… it's against everyone.
We keep forgetting the our own people in Africa sold us to the Europeans and we're still selling slaves now to the middle east and Asia. We need to work together to stop this and stop whining about something 150 years ago.
F***ing idiot. Go back to Joe's Crab Shack to Bartend and leave the higher level thinking to somebody else. And while you're at it… look up institutionalized racism vs. interpersonal racism and you have your answer.
Jon Yanhko how do you know who has been denied what? Tell us..
I think it’s totally ignorant when any white person says they aren’t responsible and shouldn’t be blamed because of the way Black people have been treated in this country. They use the excuse like this gentleman did in the video that because his parents or grandparents weren’t slave owners why should they be blamed.. Just as every Black person in America is most likely a decedent of slaves, every white person in America is more than likely a descendant of a slave owner or they condoned the treatment of Blacks during slavery Black people throughout history have been blamed, held accountable, and /or judged by the actions of a few, so then why should white people be any different.
Paul Hill I take personal responsibility for myself and my family. Did my ancestors help design this "system"? I really don't know. But I am not a politician or a community organizer. I am just a regular guy like yourself with as much power to make change as the next guy. I agree, I probably had it easier in life being white, what can I do to change the system that a black person can't? And since I am not in willful ignorance of the benefits of being white, has the problem been solved?
Jon Yanhko Black people cannot be racist in the USA, they can be prejudice, whites own and control institutional power the definition of racism in my heart. The system is changing mostly because people of color stood up to the system, the civil rights movement. There is a LONG way to go for their to be equality and to see the end of racism in the US
Vince Farmintino You're talking to the wrong people. Turn around and talk to Rush Limbaugh's audience, or Ted Nugent supporters, or the people sending money to Darren Wilson's defense fund. Or the ones who 'dislike Obama's policies'.
Tell them to give up their open and virulent racism, instead of seeking to tell us we aren't affected by it.
Who are you to try to tell us about our experiences in this country anyway? Really? You have an awfully high opinion of your own opinion.
Madrone Mofeeta Did you just say black people can not be racist in America?
If 10+ black people brutally beat down and murder a white person simply because that person is white… that is not racist to you?
Well. I'd simply have to say screw you and your pseudo-definition of racism.
Devon Chastain its actually not my definition, its a widely accepted definition, so before hurling abuse my way, do your own research and being abusive just makes me dismiss you. The perpetual problem.
Marcus Bagley it is rather odd when people like Vince here are so concerned with black on black crime yet say nothing of white on white crime. One almost wonders if white on white crime even exists. maybe white people don't commit any crime, and when they do, it must be inconsequential. Why else would it engender such a limited response from these amateur criminal studies professors?
Madrone Mofeeta The real problem is people like you — people who think racism can only be caused by one skin color and in return become more racist than the initial problem and think its alright.
10 white people beat 1 black person — racist, riots, protests, fundraising funerals.
10 black people beat 1 white person — not racist, nobody cares, family left to fend for themselves
… but the real sick part is people like you who think that's alright.
The goal is to stop the violence and let everyone be treated equally… REAL equality. Not this one-sided crap people like you come up with to try to get out on top.
Stop lowering the value of human life and start pretending like everyone is important, not just people of one color.
Devon Chastain You are full of projections and hate. "people like you" to quote you will always keep you separate. Your comment makes no sense to me.
John-Paul Anderson there's a blueprint. White male, mentions Al Sharpton, black on black crime in Chicago, says "others made it, why can't you(assuming that speaking up about racial injustice = not having made it)", hates Obama's policies(Matthews and Leonard mention Obama, but I'll bet neither of them voted for him), ignores empirical evidence( or excuses it), blames the victims, gets talking points from Limbaugh and O'Reilly, and Fox 'News'.
They are not nearly as unique as they think they are.
Todd Leonard Some people made it out of slavery..does that mean that slavery didn't exist?
Zach Lange i think he was saying that foreigners sympathize with those who feel oppressed however their feelings get hurt when they are grouped with those persons who are responsible for such actions because of their complexion.
Racism is actually defined as systemic discrimination and oppression of group(s) of people. All people are capable of being prejudice, however only the majority party are capable of being racist.
On Thursday, Cross Light brought in a great perspective to the overall issue. There are quite a few angles one could utilize to validate the position they are trying to make. Recognizing that there has been a history of organized racism, there has also been one of nepotism, sexism, and other culturally bias problems created by governments, political factions, dominant sexes, etc.
Cross Point, I believe asked a question, why would we want to live in a system that ensures everyone is given the same level of fairness. How does that create initiative and drive to succeed and invent new technology, etc? The desire for this fair-share world has driven a deep divide in our Nation. It has allowed us to remove responsibility (political correctness) place blame on the government.
Unfortunately, it is difficult to really explain this in the Facebook format as the dialogue doesn't allow me speak to in a manner that would allow you to look from the other side. Most of these responses appear to have been made with emotions and not logic. As blacks, we must recognize that although there are many things that may seem to prohibit you from moving forward, you have to ask yourself, what do you plan to do about it? Will you continue blames others or begin to look in the mirror. (I had too.) If you believe the system is truly against you from finishing high school, going to college, starting a business, advancing in your career; consider reevaluating your part in this. Whether you are from the projects, the suburbs, the city, or the farm; many successful people before as far back as the Old Testament experienced the same. So you won't be the first or the last. Trust Christ first, then move forward.
Unfortunately, it is difficult to really explain this in the Facebook format as the dialogue doesn't allow me speak to in a manner that would allow you to look from the other side. Most of these responses appear to have been made with emotions and not logic. As blacks, we must recognize that although there are many things that may seem to prohibit you from moving forward, you have to ask yourself, what do you plan to do about it? Will you continue blames others or begin to look in the mirror. (I had too.) If you believe the system is truly against you from finishing high school, going to college, starting a business, advancing in your career; consider reevaluating your part in this. Whether you are from the projects, the suburbs, the city, or the farm; many successful people before as far back as the Old Testament experienced the same. So you won't be the first or the last. Trust Christ first, then move forward.
U know john yashko u could have ended this whole debate by saying who cares what they think they don't care what you think why should we care what they think case closed
Because i dont really care what they think they have their own interests in mind not yours not mine they would to see you on the bottom
Vince Farmintino your a fucking idiot
Try not to take this as a smartazz statement Brie, but do you think that it could be as simple as most white people (excluding white guilt liberals) simply do not care what black people think about them anymore, just as blacks (at least what has been written on this site) could care less about how white people feel about them? I think those words could have easily been reversed without the intentional divisive behavior of AG Holder, Rev. Sharpton and Pres. Obama. I believe the country as a whole was making great strides until this crew came to power, and at the same time I also believe that white people as a society-business-family will only allow so much to be taken from them to appease others.
looks like the white male was a "plant". no doubt everything he said was known before he ever opened his mouth
Vince Farmintino Taken from them … such a telling sentence. SUCH A TELLING SENTENCE!!
Vince Farmintino raping, murdering and colonizing for centuries all across the globe and in the end the victims are the ones to blame for being "inferior" when the ones responsible have rigged the game, its hilarious, its like u come to my house steal all my shit, kill off half my family give me a bottle of booze to ease the pain and then you lecture me about how im a drunk or some shit, typical tea bagging glen beck listening, rush limbaug dick swallowing one lining cesspool of a human being, the fuck you know about the middle east and palestine stfu..
"destroyed our culture and said that you civilized us
raped our woman and when we were born you despised us
gentrified us, agent provocateurs divide us
and crucified every revolutionary messiah" immortal tech
good lord, to make an asinine statement like that with a tag of the University of Maryland is not doing that school any favors.
Every white person is more than likely a descendent of a slave owner..wow…
And you say the actions of a few…have you been to a jail lately? Have you seen some of the thousands of flash mobs laughing giggling as stores are getting ransacked? Have you not seen any footage, which is very hard to find because the media has chosen not to report these things of the 1,000's of knockout victims all over the nation? Those actions are not being done by the "few". The media won't even mention the race of a suspect anymore, but will still ask the public for help in the person.
Should I blame the relatives of the 10's of thousands of black males 16-35 who have are committing the vast majority of crimes in this country especially in all big cities? NO, the person in jail will be held accountable in my eyes..it's called personal responsibility which does not mix well with a lifestyle of self-victimization.
Vince Farmintino You bring up a valid point, and theres why there is such thing as imposed diversity. The thing is, that sort of thing is really hard to control because there are other things that can influence who gets hired (assuming all merits being equal) even outside of ethnic background. Alma mater, sorority/ fraternity, favorite sports teams. There are so many things that come in play when giving people opportunities I think its short sighted to think they don't exist
Your argument of "to the victor go the spoils" is certainly true, and its impossible for everyone to be rich (theres always going to a lower class) but it doesn't mean that we should ignore these issues. Compassion can go a long way. And as a country whose economy is certainly based on total output, it would behoove us at least not attempt to make everyone's life a little bit better.
Brie Stoll You nailed it Brie! But am still confused on the "personal part" you mentioned..could you explain a little on what you mean by that?
This headline is absolutely wrong they were both fighting two different arguments from what was shown in this video. The Caucasian guy was fighting being blamed and generalized by the color of his skin and being held accountable for the actions of a system and structure that's been developed before his family arrived to America. The African-American guy was fighting the argument of it in just system two words people who book like him and myself. These two guys understand that there is a problem with the system and it's unfairness. The Caucasian guy just do not want to be held accountable for the actions of people who look like him but don't share the same values. My personal opinion is that the system is the blame because we've been let down so many times. I completely agree with the fact that we need a representative that understands our point of view and that doesn't necessarily mean you have to be black or white just understand.
After reading most of the comments, a comment Malcom X said come to my mind. “You don't stick a knife in a man's back nine inches and then pull it out six inches and say you're making progress… No matter how much respect, no matter how much recognition, whites show towards me, as far as I am concerned, as long as it is not shown to everyone of our people in this country, it doesn't exist for me.”.
I watched the whole program on PBS the other night. It was very good.
Vince Farmintino This is not about black against white … this is about America .This happens because we take this personally instead of looking from the perspective of a systematic problem. You may not be particularly racist but if we continue to know this happens and not make our leader accountable then we are the problem. Not you … not me … WE are the problem. If you have cancer in your foot YOU HAVE CANCER… you can't go ..oh well it's just a foot, the rest of me is okay. This is society cancer.
You have to have seen it when it was live. This was a three hour exchange.
Fair enough Robert. I don't speak for the white race as a whole but would be pretty accurate as to why I think black people get a negative response when raceslavery is brought up.
Jewish, Asian, Hispanic etc. all have one thing that the black race doesn't…the absence of the professional race baitershustlersagitators in the likes of Sharpton, Holder and a few others. I think white people as a whole are a lot more open to dialog without the in your face 24/7 white bashing of these guys.
The attitude, the tone that is displayed when the issue comes up is a conversation ender most of the time.
I would love to sit down once with someone who I have differences with and equal time listing and talking, but this seems to follow a one way street of "disagree and your instantly part of the problem"…Robert, I just don't see it that way.
are we talking Koran or Bible in regards to the scriptures proven the arabs were there first?
***The Jewish people have long maintained both physical and religious ties with the land of Israel. The first appearance of the name "Israel" in the historic record is the Merneptah Stele, circa 1200 BCE. During the biblical period, two kingdoms occupied the highland zone, the Kingdom of Israel in the north and the Kingdom of Judah in the south. The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Neo-Assyrian Empire (circa 722 BCE) and the Kingdom of Judah by the Neo-Babylonian Empire (586 BCE). Upon the defeat of the Babylonian Empire by the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great, the Jewish elite returned to Jerusalem and the Second Temple was built.
In 165 BCE, the independent Hasmonean Kingdom was established. Although coming under the sway of various empires and home to a variety of ethnicities, the area of ancient Israel was predominantly Jewish until the Jewish–Roman wars. After this time, Jews became a minority in most regions, except Galilee. The area became increasingly Christian after the 3rd century and ****then largely Muslim from the 7th century conquest until well into the 20th century.***
Brie Stoll I wish we can make all leaders accountable. I have seen first hand as I grew up in a liberal democrat stronghold of inner city Youngstown, OH and like others cities like mine (Detroit-Chicaog-Baltimore-Philly-Newark-and dozens more)the leaders have no intention of helping those who need help the most..what they want is VOTES, votes=POWER, and they know as long as they keep whispering sweet "nothings" to those who fall for it, nothing changes. My city and the ones I mentioned have been controlled by and have implemented part of the SYSTEM you mentioned for decades by the same people who keep getting your vote. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result is truly the definition of insanity, and I would be mad as hell knowing this is what they are doing.
Vince Farmintino your premise, 'some blacks have succeeded, therefore there is no racism or system designed against them' is incorrect. It's illogical. It's flawed. It isn't true.
Whether any blacks have succeeded or not is irrelevant, and isn't the point anyway. We have a saying, " you have to work twice as hard to be treated as equal". Blacks have been succeeding ever since we were dragged here kicking and screaming way back when.
We succeeded under slavery, we succeeded under Jim Crow, and we're succeeding now. Your point is moot. I wonder more about your motivation for making it.
What is the solution to this problem, John?
LaMarkus Guynn Do you feel any blame should be placed on the politicians who have created a permanent voting base in those areas by promising things they never intend to deliver on? Those areas are Democrat strongholds and have been for decades yet the people there keep voting for them without realizing they're just being used to keep greedy politicians in power. Your thoughts?
Ism Emmett from a nation ran by men who encouraged slavery from those of color, to becoming a nation led by a man of color … id say thats more than just being a puppet. Id say thats a large step for man kind as a whole.
Jon Yanhko It's evident you don't speak from experience. But others do, because they are slighted and not given what IS entitled to them due to skin color. You are responsible for the sins of your ancestors when you (meaning those of today) perpetuate the system. I don't expect you to GET it, I expect you to help change it.
Frank I totally agree..the time to take responsibility for our own destiny has long passed. There is no reason for blacks to continue this tiresome old diatribe about repression and suppression. Get off your behind, get knowledgeable, and get active making a difference; not creating another one!
Jon Yanhko you're buggin, you should care what every person thinks. that's probably the worst burden that any person could carry. You have to make sure you know what you are saying before you say. Instead of saying. There are shit load of white people to care what people say … then they end up dead because of suicide. Thats the whole issue there. Now you can pick out what positive take it, use it. But everything, that every person says.. and care.. You're buggin… If l lived my life like that. I don't know where I would be. Walking around with burends of peopels thoughts.. hell no man. hell fucking no.
Elvin Dedic Nice language tough guy. So far myself and many others on this site have had many disagreements and some pretty good debate, and all you're able to come up with is "fucking idiot" and some link to a socialist top 5 music video?
Likewise. respect and recognition is a two way street especially in the county that me and you share with every American
If you're tired of the global oppression…. get off the grid and learn how to live for free worldwide.
Todd Leonard why are you here anyway? Why don't you go to Ted Nugent's website and tell him his racial garbage doesn't exist, or isn't true or something?
Or find Stormfront or some other white supremacist website and tell them how you've been over here trying to educate us darkies that our experiences aren't real and that we don't know what we're talking about?
Awfully presumptuous of you to try to tell us that we don't know our own realities don't you think?
This is stupid. I'm white as hell and I have several black friends. I have educated black friends and I am acquainted with uneducated black individuals who like to throw up gang signs and deals drugs. I also have white friends and aquatints all the same. This whole black white thing is ancient and out dated. The only reason it is still around is your black extremist and white extremist. If you want to move past it then let the events that happened over 100 years ago that doesn't even effect you go. Guess who killed Jesus? It was Jews but hey people got over it because it was in the past so everyone else should get the memo.
Mr. Farmintino you still are avoiding MY question. Another question I have for you. Are you one of those trolls that V is Raleys place on mainstream media blog sites in order to spread their propaganda, and label anyone who disagrees with the Israeli point of view is anti Semitic?
Pardon me I was using my voice text. That should have said, that the Israelis.
Todd Leonard Come on Todd… why play such a sick game…. you don't see the judicial and policing inequities in every state??? All linked to a racially violent history?
There have been many great statements presented to invoke much thought. Many views and counter which has merit. I can only speak on what I see/witness experienced through my life as of now, This may spark/rub some wrong please let me state up front it is not my intent to do such. It is not all young men of color living by a code I'm THE MAN instead of being A MAN, It is not all men of color that express/display such lack of respect or decency. It is and does exist though and before it is asked of people not of a specific race or color to live,see,hear,respect,understand,accept or act a certain way shouldn't we that ask be doing it also?
Dominick Morrilly call for justice then. But to imply that your experience in this culture is the same as the average black man(or anyone of color really) is part of the problem.
Jon Yanhko do you feel the same about the Jews, Native Americans and Japanese-Americans? Why is it those people can be compensated but not Black people? I by no means feel that I'm entitled to anything because of my skin color I should have some expectation to be more successful than white people with high school diplomas while I have a Bachelor's and a Master's. I shouldn't have to deal with an office environment where I can run the office and tell the managers what to do but I don't get compensated for it. I shouldn't have to deal with white people getting promoted to my same job title and pay but don't have the degrees or level ability that I have. That my misinformed friend is called white privilege. It exists and will continue to exist because white people don't want fairness or equality. They'd much rather put their head in the sand and say idiotic things like white people get gunned down by police for no cause but can't ever produce an incident or we have a Black president or there are Black executives, doctors and lawyers yet many continue to bump their heads on that glass ceiling.
Jon Yanhko , The best deception the devil has, is making you believe he does not exist. You will never know what it means to be discriminated against, so how in the world can you say it is in our minds. Even those Dr.'s and Lawyers that are black realize there is a broken system and that even they have been discriminated against in their life time. I bet you never asked them. Maybe if you listen to hear and not listen to defend, it would be easier to understand. No one in the world wants to fail. You are wrong that we aren't entitled to anything due to our skin color. We are entitled to the same piece of mind for our son's and daughters that you have. You will never go to bed wondering if some idiot has shot your child because they were afraid of his color. You will never be pulled over or stopped while walking and frisked just because of your skin color. You have no idea what is happening out there to us and our children. Until you wake up black, you are ignorant to the problem.
I'm curious as to why there is such a breakdown of good Christian values in the black community, with, according to the last census, 68% of children born to single mothers? Why is there such a high failure and dropout rate in large urban predominantly black school systems? Why is there this propensity for black on black violence, often deadly, in these same communities? Is the white man to blame for this decades long history or is the first issue directly related to the other two? The majority of successful blacks I know came from two parent households, where education was stressed and a strong work ethic was instilled. Religion was not a stranger, either. Go back to the basics, stress the building blocks family, education, respect for laws, desire for achievement and don't let anyone limit what you can do with negative peer pressure. And yes, I see these things firsthand. There's lots of successful people out there of all races, but those people usually have a strong foundation of support that starts at home with a family consisting of two parents, when you don't have that, everything else is harder.
This was a wonderful topic and honestly wish I could have witnessed this in person..
I don't know what disturbs me most about these comments. The Black people sounding like poor misguided Michael Steele until he was reminded by his Republican constituents that he was indeed a Black man or the white people who really believe that racism and discrimination doesn't exist. Where have you all been under a rock? White Privilege…look it up. It's real and was coined by a white man. Better yet I would love to see how many white people on this post willing to try a little experiment. Live your life as a Black person for a month better yet a year as did the gentleman who wrote Black Like Me. You wouldn't last a month. Hell you'd probably end up dead if you live in NYC, Ferguson, or anywhere in Florida, Texas or Arizona.
Jon Yanhko Again, white skin privilege affords those designated as white artificial props and advantages b/c of the original AFFIRMATIVE ACTION–that 250+ years of FREE BLACK LABOR that gave ALL white people a head start and an unfair advantage in this society & globally. The WEST wouldn't have MOST of the wealth it has appropriated if it wasn't for that quarter of millenia of HARD, back breaking UNPAID labor OUR ancestors generated for this country. Since you don't think that factors into current life— then how about you give ME & my family YOUR income for the rest of your life, along with the income of your spouse & possible descendant's for the next 15 or so generations. Then come back and talk that shat. Since it doesn't matter? lol..
Jon Yanhko Whites ALWAYS want to start your history in the middle of the story–after you've raped, pillaged, enslaved, committed genocide and committed all of manners of barbarity to get where you are TODAY–that's where you always want to start your story. Like you are so hard-working & industrious. Please. After your ancestors have TAKEN by force and treachery pretty much EVERYTHING you have, now you want to act like you are all civilized and it's all about personal responsibility and being hard working? Take that delusional crap to people who DON'T know your history.
Robert R. Thomas Jr. no problem Robert. The last time I said troll was paying a fee at the Pennsylvania turnpike on the way home for Christmas.:) But no, not a troll just happen to be a Steelers fan in the Ravens home stadium on this one.
I just feel there is overwhelming physical evidence that dates the jewish existence in Israel a good thousand years before any evidence shows muslims where there first. I accept carbon dating's accuracy for aging dinosaurs going back millions of years along with the use with validating ages for many other things we probably agree with each other on, so artifacts and other items from Jeruselem and other areas in Israel that carbon dating confirms to be true as far as how long ago they existed I accept as well.
But again, not a troll…have you ever seen a troll as good looking as me:) sarc:)
A post at this site was of an African American Professor that was explaining why teaching our History would pull the covers off of other peoples notions of History. The Brother just did that, and the White guy felt like he was being called out, and accused. When Black Folks Speak the truth, a whole lot of White Folks will feel attacked, because they have been lied to and Brain Washed by White Supremacy, and Privilege. White Supremacy and White Privilege are not able to be detected by those that have it. They are just being themselves, because it's the natural state for them.
Absolutely right Sistren,beautifully articulated,i love a concious and intelligent Black woman,especially when she know what she is talking about.
one of the best posts I have read on this site. Glad I had a chance to read it as this is my last post here.
I wish everyone health happiness and prosperity, even the guy who call me a "fn'g idiot"
Vince Farmintino Vince the people who were mainly selling Africans off the coastlines during that time frame were Arabs. Arabs ventured into West, Central & Subsaharan African regions which is why you see Islam in those regions today. I guess you have not researched the Trans Saharan Slave Trade which proceeded and overlapped into the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. Arabs conspired with Europeans which eventually led to the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. Areas such as Timbuktu were originally African settlements until the Arabs came in and conquered. Today many Africans in Timbuktu are fighting to keep their culture & books from being destroyed by Muslims. It was the Vatican Church who commissioned the Trans Atlantic Slave trade & even the destruction of the Native Americans who also had their culture & books destroyed. I repeat…."Africans did not have a slave system"….Africans had servitude which does not involve inhumane treatment such as shackles, torture devices, being packed in a ship, rape, and gladiator type of matches. I ask you this, have you seen archeological evidence of a shackle or torture device that originated by African hands which dates back to the time period of Trans Saharan & Trans Atlantic Slave Trade? Basically once ancient Egypt then eventually Carthage & Timbuktu were defeated by foreigners Africa became a place for exploitation. Some of those Africans who were living in Egypt, Carthage, & Timbuktu were swept into West Africa then were eventually captured into the slave trade. Still today if Africans speak of just those 3 civilizations we are often challenged by Europeans of the African initial presence and influence on those nations. So reparations go way further than economic repayment it also fits in with having proper education on history & culture. History & Culture is ultimately up for Africans to educate their own as its not the Europeans job to educate Africans about their own selves.
Paul Hill Because all that personal responsibility talk is disingenuous and meant to simply shut us up. It's like a thief stealing all of your stuff and then when you are left with nothing, telling you that hard work pays off. It's laughable and psychotic. This country preaches the same schizoid thing when it preaches to the world that a country's autonomy and sovereignty should be respected but then turns around and bombs the hell out of any country it feels like. And dares them to do anything in protest or protection. After awhile, you realize any individual or system that continually preaches one set of rules for themselves & another set for others is simply psychologically challenged and cannot be trusted nor given any credibility or legitimacy. Think of how you would view them if they were your neighbor or even a family member? You'd steer clear of their a$$, wouldn't you? And if they insisted on getting in your business, you'd eventually either totally banish them from your life or maybe even whup that a$$…this is inevitably what's going to happen to this country. Nobody likes a hypocritical bully.
On Point my Brother,couldn't have put it better myself..Outstanding !!
Black people demonstrate more stupidity than any other racial class.
Interesting how black males complain that cops single them out. Yet, they commit the highest percentage of crimes.
That is so samboish of you. WHat about Reconstruction? What about Black Wall Stree? There have been PLENTY of times that blacks have proverbially pulled ourselves up by our broken bootstraps and proven what we are capable of. And what did the white community do? lol..BOMB, lynch, loot and destroy what those black people built, that's what. This is the real deal: We were brought here to enrich and benefit WHITE society and by god, if white society has anything to do with it, that will ALWAYS be our default role. They have shown time and time again, that as long as they can pimp us, that is all we are good for. But let us figure out a way to capitalize off of our own talents, industriousness, gifts & freeze them out—oh, you'll see how 'civilized' they are. lol..
I agree Arrie Lawson. I also have to say Im not condemning all hip hop/rap music but some of that stuff being played really teaches hate and al kinds of evil.I cant believe it gets aired and "who allows it".Oh and I know I can just turn the channel but my goodness.
Zach Lange Unfortunately it is attitudes like this that exacerbate the problem. Knowing you have the privilege and standing by and letting other people suffer though not actively participating in the discriminatory behavior is just as bad. I'm 38 years old and I can't begin to enumerate the number of white people I have had to get told while shopping or at work. Something as simple as being 2nd in line but you believe the cashier should wait on you first is something I encounter all the time and I never allow it. Not only do I get the customer told but the employee as well. I'm certain there's one white woman in Mississippi that will probably never attempt to get waited on before a black woman in line ever again in life and the black cashier will ask who was here first before walking up to another white customer to help him/her before a black customer.
So he says his family came to America way after the Civil War so they should not be blamed for the racism in America? Even if this were so his family benefited from the from there being racism in America. They lived in segregated communities, went to better schools, got better jobs and better pay and were able to exploit the fact that America did not even consider a black person as a whole human being. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. People of color must also realize that if they do not stand united the system will divide and conquer each and every time. Demand better for your communities and hold the people in a positions of power responsible educate yourselves and be proactive in building stronger communities. Each one teach one. Knowledge is power so lets empower ourselves!
Vince Farmintino What is the percentage of the total black community those celebs and other '1st negro on my block negroes', make up? What, 1%, 1/2 of 1%? Somebody needs to put this all into perspective. So they are holding up as the penultimate examples of the illusion of inclusion, people who probably number less than a million–out of HOW many millions of black people? It's a game.
You couldn't be more wrong Frank Lewis. I know several Black people with degrees, are law-abiding citizens, are raising their kids and work everyday. Yet they have to jump through hoops to get a promotion or loan to start a business. I live in a city where government gives rich white males grants to cover building expenses or purchase property to start a business but minorities and women are only given loans, small ones at that and have a short period to pay the money back. Really dude? It's okay to give free money to white millionaires, even after they are asked if they sell the business and make a significant profit would they give the city its $3 million back to invest in another company and without hesitation the answer is no and they still give him the money. Something is wrong with that.
i agree we must stop participating in violence against each other but awareness is the key! our people must be aware that there is a system in place by the Government to lead the unaware down the wrong path, musicians entertainers and athletes job is to keep people distracted from their goal of knowledge and awareness (by coveting money and wealth and their lifestyle stead of making the best of your own)
It's all by design!… and until we have the whole become aware of that we're stuck chasing our own tails!…..how can we overcome when we don't know who we are we are the only people told to forget our ancestors and accept the garbage forced on us by the slave masters!…
We need more of him
He know and is living the truth
They are prosecuted and punished for the most crimes. Whites actually commit just as many but they are not prosecuted with the same vigor or on the same scale of punishments. You are right about blacks demonstrating more stupidity, because in my opinion, we should have risen against our oppressor a lot sooner and still be fighting against injustice. I think we should serve it the way we get it..
Brilliant Response my Sister
Jon Yanhko You are too young and ignorant of American History to debate. Go read some African, and African American History, then maybe what you think or say will have credence.
The majority of black people are opressed. You only got a handful of Jessies Jackson's lol.
And your going to justify a system that has a proven track record of being unjust in many respects toward African Americans in particular? I'm not sure if you painted an illusion in your mind that injustice does not take place in this country anymore because you have met success and as long as your making bank, it does not matter, or your siding with a system that's obviously broken. Either way the reality is that it is much harder for a man or women of color to meet success than it is for Caucasians, anyone who sees it different is out of touch with reality.
Todd Leonard when people of color say they are "denied certain rights", they, we, don't necessarily mean legislative rights. It's a social tension. To know that if you have a son, you can send him to the store and expect him not to be harassed by the police because of the color of his skin. I, by NO means believe white people are oppressive, it's just white people have the advantage in American society because they don't have to be so hyper-aware of how their race can affect them getting a job, taking out a car loan, or being followed by the store manager while shopping. Peggy McIntosh talks about this in her article "White Privilege". It's an interesting but quick read coming from the perspective of a middle aged, white women on the social privileges white people have
Jon Yanhko All black Americans are victims of slavery.
Jon Salud Well said Jon..good post
You have to understand that the system is what created the animosity and strife between the races and the system is the 1% of the populist, over population is the motivating force behind the actions of the system.This scares them of the lost of controlling the world's finances and the possibility of nations of people gaining control over there governments decision making.Masses of peoples live, virtually 99% of the world's populist lives are under control by a handful of people.So this is not purely a matter of race, although it may seem so;there are far deeper aspects of implication that can lead to the demise and economic instability of the 99% of the worlds population.Food for thought, the more you know.
Jackie Rippy You're not. Who enslaved you? Who whipped you? Stop pretending the hardship was on you when its your ancestors that suffered. To say you suffered the same as them makes their hardships seem less significant — don't compare.
jim crow just ended 50 yrs ago and the economic effects are still here get educated
Vince Farmintino vince, wake up i work in aviation and just saw whites hire a white woman from the beauty industry as a first line mgr in a shop .no way on earth do they do that for a black woman and the acting mgr was a black male they passed over
What you need to realize people white or not will listen to nothing a group of people has to say while they are being demonized. Period. people will get defensive and stop listening. For example im working a register, young man comes in wants to buy cigarettes. I ask ID and he doesn't have it. I get a man screaming and raising a scene calling me a racist cracker and I am refusing him service. Was he right? No!
Jay Contreras is another thing that is wrong here. Until we as a people stop identifying and tagging an entire people based on their skin color the system will NEVER change. EVER! For example, We have a President of African descent leading thing country. Has the system changed? Why not? Can't be because of "white" people. He is the leader of the free world. IT is a hate thing, and an ignorance. The man in this video even said it don't matter who goes into office it is the SYSTEM that is broken. Jay is a good example. Instead of trying to find common ground and creating Unity to fight and change this system you are alienating A LOT of people who would otherwise help you. Yeah you can talk to them and show them what is going on, but if you keep pointing a finger at a whole group and screaming "This is your fault" no one from that group is gonna help you because they are being alienated and feel attacked.
I wish more people would realize this isn't just a black issue, it is a EVERYONE issue.Everything he said that happens to the "black" community is true. I have seen it happen and still see it. Do you know what happens to "white" people who apply their rights and stand up for themselves to the police? The same thing that happens to "black" people. This whole white privilege only last if we keep our mouths shut and stay in line. Of course no one wants to hear that because then that would mean that people of lighter skin are no longer the enemy, and lighter skinned people sure are easy to target.
It is the system guys. They are gonna keep playing the white vs black or the black vs white because that will keep us from doing anything to fix the actual problem. We all need to actually UNITE!
This is sad and I can only shake my head. The system is playing both sides. All I see happening is all the blame thrown at the cracker here right? I mean I can only imagine the hate I am gonna get after posting this. You can keep playing whitey all yours lives. That ain't gonna change shit. So until we drop this bullshit blame game,and actually come together for a common goal nothing is changing.
Now. All I ever got my whole life is. "you don't understand, you are ignorant, white privilege white privilege white privilege." Causes go no where if you attack the people who are willing to help, or make them feel alienated or humiliate them. You don't get help that way. Come to me with civility and respect. Tell me what is going on, HOW can I help in this? Sad thing is I doubt anyone is gonna do that. Nor is anyone actually gonna read my entire post. See people want to be heard, but they don't want to hear. It is a two way street. You can't get people to listen if you don't know how to speak. Words are VERY important in communication and you have to choose them well.
Whelp, have at me. I am ready for your hate.
As a software developer I can tell you to STFU… My experiences say MORE THAN otherwise… Jealousy and backstabbing is multiplied by one million if you're black in a "traditionally white" career… Traditionally white means they don't want you there and many will lie and cheat to get rid of you…
Jon Yanhko When was the last time a rich white woman was told she couldn't afford something she asked to see in a store (Oprah) or the last time someone called the police on a white person of buying something from a store (Barney's, Macy's)…?
I don't like people like you because you're all underachievers, looking for the "comfortable" answer… That helps you sit on your ass as a large portion of of the citizens are being limited financially, socially, in housing, in careers…
Vince Farmintino I agree with you 100%. There is no difference between democrats and republicans from what I see. Both are controlled by corporations and do what is in the best interest of profits, not the citizens. If you look at the numbers fewer and fewer people are voting. Apathy has become the norm, lack of trust has become status quo… a sense of giving up seems to be why people across the board have just let go of the little hope they had. I've always said, the biggest political enemy to the little guy is the two party system.
Jon Yanhko You and I know both darn and damn well that the majority of Africans were NOT bought but were stolen. AND we both know that the only ones "sold" were POWs and that the Africans couldn't POSSIBLY have predicted WHITE SUPREMACY, which is what we are arguing still exists to this day. If you want to live in lala land and deny that, perhaps you should stop entering into political debates.
Blade Seventy-One – Fair share and fairness are not synonymous. But I don't think the majority of blacks are looking for either. History shows with many examples, (The most popular is Black Wall Street) that when blacks actually do become what everyone says they should, the system permits the destruction of the very thing whites say they should do. That has nothing to do with fairness, fair share or trusting Christ.
Clearly the person that everyone is giving their energy to (Jon) is not a historian – no where near it..so please don't waste your time paying any attention to him. Look at what he wrote…the African kings sold Africans to the Indians who later sold them to Americans…Stop right there! Uneducated! Stated by From a history professional who has been to the West Africa castles and forts….he is more than hilarious, don't waste your energy people….
Devon Chastain You honestly think I have no effect from this? Not all white people are White Supremacists BUT all white people BENEFIT from White Supremacy. Your very lifestyle that you go harass black people for hating contributes to White Supremacy worldwide. Tell me, do you do this to Jews? Go tell them to get over the holocaust because it doesn't effect them?
Let me list the ways White Supremacy effected me:
1)The last schools weren't desegregated until the late 70s. Many white people turned to private schools with old white money to put their kids. This was 40 years ago. Do you think all black people today are less than 40 years old?
2) The murders, infiltration, and unjust incarceration of the BPP, MLK, Malcolm X, and countless others not 20 years before that is the DIRECT RESULT of WHITE SUPREMACY. DAMN STRAIGHT I'd rather be "whipped and enslaved" than have Mr. X die like that.
3) BLACK PEOPLE ARE STILL ENSLAVED TODAY. Oh what, you thought that all that chocolate White people consume 6x a year on pointless holidays that celebrate racists and pedophiles just came out of NOWHERE? Some of the TOP supported American companies SUPPORT SLAVERY and the MAJORITY of America are WHITE, yet who takes responsibility for this? Never white people.
4) I SPEAK ENGLISH. Yes fuck you I speak English, don't have a language of my people, and half my poor brothers and sisters are on the Bible Belt still praising White Jesus. My ancestors which you speak with such disregard had their TONGUES CUT OFF were CASTRATED and LYNCHED into Christianity, and you think those White Jesus loving blacks are NOT EFFECTED by this religion which is really just another word for White Supremacy?
5) White people failed to return all the riches they stole from Asia, America, and Africa after "equality" and if you'd like you can go see how much they stole from Africa just this morning it might interest you, or not because it would mean that White Supremacy still effected someone which you deny.
6) White Supremacists with their in-denial population spend more on wars and manipulating foreign elections than anyone else and constantly defend their own fucked up governments and economies which make the world hell for the majority of people living on it.
I am effected by the habits of your culture, yes I am, and so are millions of brown people worldwide, both those who have been exterminated, those now fighting genocide, and those trying to find the pieces still broken after 40 generations.
+1 on your post Clifford.
Cross Light No one said the system should be set up for any to succeed. My statement was that the system is setup to make sure some fail. That is something that should be of concern for all citizens. The best and brightest this country has to offer will never be the contributors they could be because they are trapped in a system that many in charge already have invested in prisons to house them instead of books to educate them. What I'm saying is that even for kids who live in 2 parent households, and go to suburban schools and who may not even be black, system influences them for 40 hours a week while mom and dad put food on the table and a roof over their heads. The system does override what goes on at home. To use your analogy about the current in the stream, if everyone had to swim against, I don't think anyone would be complaining about it. There are primarily three groups of people: 1) The people who have to swim against it and tell everyone it exists. 2) The people who don't have to swim against it but acknowledge it exists and they either chose to help fight against it or do nothing 3) They don't even acknowledge it exists and can't understand why group #1 has so much to say and insult group #2 if they dare attempt to rock the boat.
Keep this in mind when debating this issue:
American racism is the bastard child of American classism.
We are dealing with a social epidemic that cuts across color lines – injustice is injustice, and violence is violence no matter how you box it up. What's happening now as far as race relations has far less to do with race, and much more to do with disenfranchisement.
When it comes to New York City, for example, we are dealing with the shock-gentrification of a city who, for the past century or more, has prided itself on being a multi-cultural social hub, with semi-affordable living conditions. Within the last 30+ years, that reputation is slowly but surely being eradicated by the exponentially increased cost of living, and sharp shifts in neighborhood demographics. Again, the media will certainly play the race card regarding this phenomena, but it's the money card that's being pulled; people who have lived here for time out of mind, who may not have the means to adapt or find other places to live, are angry and feel helpless that there is a steadily increasing financial burden being placed on their already stressful quality of life. It's this kind of resentment and slowly simmering hatred of the world around them that is helping to breed the kinds of violence we're seeing now. When an tiger feels that they're being unfairly kept in a cage, and constantly prodded by outsiders, there is only so much they will allow before they decide to strike back, if only as a means of defense. No man with a sense of pride, no matter what ethnic background, can put up with knowledge that a system under which he lives is broken and stacked against him for too long before he acts. And he will act based on the kinds of actions taken by his immediate peers and those who have gone before him.
I recently explained to my friend – who is Irish and a NYC Cop – is that what he needs to remember (what all citizens who are not People of Color need to remember) about race relations in this country, is that, whether you agree with it or not, there will always be a sense of entitled indignation. We are in a truly dangerous state because there are still plenty of folks who are outspoken racists on every level of the socio-economic ladder in this country, and whether they realize it or not, they will attempt to use whatever methods are feasible to them to suppress the people they hate. In addition, we have others who will swear up & down that somehow, the United States has achieved a "post-racial" society. Meanwhile, we have just witnessed the Supreme Court decide that keeping a Federal watch on voting practices in states that have been notorious for racially discriminatory practices is Unconstitutional. We have been shown, time and time again, that due process for all citizens within our legal system simply does not exist; again, this is a financially fueled problem, but that will, naturally, call into play the issue of race. And regardless of the desire of other peoples to downplay United States history, the fact remains that the people who were brought to this country to work tirelessly against their will under pain of punishment and death, whose descendants fought & died to achieve an egalitarian American society, and whose culture has been continually exploited from its beginnings by the mainstream media, are the very same people that so called "non-prejudiced" Americans are saying are doing too much complaining about their "so-called plight." It's far too easy for folks to try & play the devil's advocate on the topic of race when they can't draw a generational line to members of their family who were bought & sold as property, or better yet, who were jailed or killed because they wanted their kids to be able to vote. Please understand that I am not making this a soapbox issue; I can't. But all these things have happened, and such atrocities are hard for people to forgive.
First off, lets get something clear. There is only a limited number of "African Americans" in this country and I can guarantee that those who are, aren't complaining about someone oppressing them. They are grateful for the opportunities that are granted to Americans on a daily basis. So, don't get it twisted.
Secondly, public education is free!! I sat beside many a black men and women there. I saw them with my own eyes. Also, there are college scholarships dedicated to people just for being black!! There are colleges that nationally known as "all black schools". I don't think that these things are racist but I do believe that the "system" realizes that black communities are harder to move on from and "the system" tries to lighten the load by giving opportunities to those who aren't as fortunate.
I was born poor. We were not broke, we were poor. We would eat ramen noodles for dinner at least 4 times a weak. There were times that we didn't have electricity. I would hate when my mom would buy us nice food because she wouldn't eat..
So, take your oppression and shove it up your ass. I have worked my tail off to provide for my family. I didn't always make the right decisions but I did recover myself to better myself. Try doing the same instead of asking someone to do it for you.
One of the problems with the black community is that you can even be united. You are constantly tearing each other down. (Aka the crab syndrome). You ridicule you're own people for being "too white" when they get an education and speak fluently. Shall I go on?
Brandy Williams Thank you !!
Vince Farmintino when you have appointed judges being paid off to funnel juvenile criminals into extended sentences so as to line their pockets with kickbacks from the owners of the incarceration facility where the indicted would be housed, when you have Local & Federal courts that have a disproportionate record of the sentence length for crimes committed by Persons of Color vs. other races, when you have whole organizations of citizens whose mission is to vilify, propagandize, and ultimately eliminate the "threat" of Black & Brown people, everything you've said is basically moot. Perhaps you've been blinded by a media syndicate whose job it now is to agitate rather than inform. Perhaps you've fed into the concept that our government and subsequent affiliates therein are working from an impartial standpoint because you're convinced that its origins were pure and impartial. Whatever the case may be, it's super clear that you have no concept of the idea that the horrors of our nation's past, such as slavery, could have long-lasting effects in the post-modern era; meanwhile, if you actually did the research, you would find that, in places like Chicago, for example, the violent urban neighborhoods that exist today are a direct product of post-slavery violence and economic coercion that targeted Black Americans trying to migrate and purchase property in the North, which, as they found out, was just as prejudiced + hateful as the South (they just used tactics like Redlining & extortion as opposed to church burnings and lynchings – so far as we know. This occurred as late as the 1960's, by the way).
Vince, I pray that you never find your face on the business end of a cop's fist for doing something stupid, or that you wind up unable to buy a home in certain parts of the country because you don't "fit in" with the town. I hope you never have to have a sit-down with your kids about this importance of being extra careful around authorities late at night, even if it's your neighborhood and they're not doing anything wrong. I hope that you don't have to defend yourself or members of your ethnic background in conversation when people like…well, like you…go on rants like the ones you seem to enjoy detailing at every open opportunity. And I certainly hope that members of your family never have to experience violence or loss of life at the expense of people who are dead set against you simply because you look different. Because these are things that are happening to Persons of Color on a daily basis, and while there may be a slant regarding crime & punishment in America, your absolute failure to at least attempt at being objective and put yourself in someone else's shoes is far more dangerous a problem than any of the criminals lining the cells of the jails you so adamantly spoke about.
Jon Yanhko You are spinning words what you say makes no sense, and you have no idea what has happened with blacks under the system of white supremacy. First of all you are in no position to speak on black people's condition or issues. If you wish to be fair in assessing everything up about blacks, let us hear you speak about white males privilege, that is a major problem in America, white males holding onto their power. Then you got the nerve to try to come on this site (black site) talking utter nonsense, because you do not understand the problems of African people, how they got started, or where they got started. You can take your spinning and nonsense somewhere else, we are not hearing it. If you have something more valuable to offer, (I doubt) let us know. If rich, white male created our problems, I do not believe you have solutions to our problems, on purpose. Get lost, we will settle our own problems sooner or later. I need to tell you one of the most utter nonsense statement you made in your post, you said, (If you want something earn it) who in the hell are you to tell us to earn it, we have earn it, the whole world, believe that. Tell me did Europeans earn all that they control in the whole world? Not a damn thing. Instead of trying to preach to us, go study history, start with how African people made this world, reparations is the least of it.
Jon Yanhko, you wouldn't understand because the color of your skin. As a student at NC State, I have experienced racism from my peers, advisors, and professors. On numerous occasions my advisor and professors try to justify speaking to me with a negative tone, "encourage" me to change my major, and also grade my work severely harder than my peers. African Americans know we are "not entitled to a damn thing". We also know that we have to work ten times harder than everyone else because its hard for MOST, let me repeat, MOST, people of lighter melanin to associate with African Americans. This system you speak of, does not exist. Although, there is a system called white privilege. Asians, "proper" hispanics, and white people use this system to benefit each other. Which is why it breaks my heart to see that black people haven't come together and done the same thing. Our society wont change unless we all do but thanks for letting me that I have assumed to be entitled to success because the color of my skin. You absolutely know how it feels to go to lab early every week only to be picked last as a partner because you are the only black student in the class. You absolutely understand the thoughts and questions that I have.
You absolutely understand the pain African Americans go through.
-From a African American College Student's Perspective
Jim Crow, Voting Literacy Tests, Redlining, Urban "Planning," Public Housing, Private Incarceration structures: all of these things were developed by this country outside of and after slavery, almost in the order I detailed them. All of these things have been traps for Persons of Color in America in ways they never could be for Caucasian citizens. When the working poor Southern White indentured servants – who, for a time, worked alongside African slaves on the plantations – were relieved of their duties once the plantation economy died, they at least had the chance to immediately find other work with the possibility of moving up the socio-economic rung. This is not conspiracy theory, this is documented fact. I'm not advocating using any part of history as a crutch to perpetuate deviant behavior. What I am saying is that if you're going to throw around ignorant statements and use entitled respectability politics to justify your bigotry, at least do some reading of full scope of our nation's history regarding race relations as well.
Kimberly D Farmer Not all white people are white supremacists, BUT all white people BENEFIT from white supremacy. There is no question that others suffer. There is a system in place not just in the USA or in your own little bubble but the WORLD which suffers from your starbucks lifestyle. Get a clue.
Keegan Riotto You speak as someone who sees black people on Fox News and reads of them in the paper somewhere and considers yourself an expert. Need I go on?
This is never going to get better because BOTH sides want to keep bickering and fighting with each other instead of trying to change the system. Just read the comments. A lot of white skinned people say "you are just imagining it, the only ones holding you back is you" and a lot of black skinned people doing nothing but blaming white skinned people and blaming white privilege and I actually saw a "you won't understand because you are white" which is the exact same as saying you are ignorant or uneducated because you are black. Funny how it is only unacceptable when a light skinned person says something like that.
No one realizes there is a third entity in this. THE SYSTEM., but no one actually pays attention to that or fights it. The system keep the fight of black vs. white going because as long as it does the system is safe and it will never have to change.
Wake up brothers and sisters white or black has nothing to do with ignorance or lack of understanding, instead those two things are a result of the absences of REAL communication. The fight needs to turn into "everyone vs the system". Of course I am sure no one will listen to this because this will not satisfy their hate and anger.
Just how I feel. The one thing that all the movements we ever had have in common is that we keep asking for our god given rights. No other race of people ask the white man for what they know they have a right to. It's like why are we playing checkers on a real life chess game. Chess is war, and war is strategy, and adaptation, etc. You can't ask a general to level the battlefield so it can be a fair fight, its not going to happen… Never… We need to level it ourselves… Sn… Need to take a page out of their book and move in silence, we keep shouting to the world about what we need & going to do. Whatever that needs to be done,needs to be done by us and in silence, because the machine is to strong to do it otherwise.
so was it white people that made brown rob that store? is it white people that make black gangs shot up their own neighborhoods, and kill other blacks. It's funny he say the murderer in their neighborhood are well organized. He means cops are organized. I guarantee in a community of 86% blacks, blacks have murdered more blacks then all the police have.
Frank Lewis #wealthandeconomicshavenocolor. Is that right? Check that Forbes list brother. Numbers have never lied to me.
Thank you Tara..you've said a mouthful and spoke the truth!
Why don't you get your head out of the sand and look at the studies that show black people with the same qualifications are turned away faster than their white counterparts.
I think this was a very good video to watch. The one thing I noticed was that the white guy who spoke seemed to me that he was putting words into what that black guy said as he never once stated that it was all white people that was responsible for the system of oppression in the US. I am getting the impression that anytime you mention race in the US, that some people go into attack mode automatically without stopping to listen to all the facts.
Everyone is talking about color there is the old age factor, the white man thinks that once you get gray/silver hair that is it for you and it's hard to get a job more older people retirement age are having to stay on the job longer because of the economy crisis from 2008-9 and if they are having to come out of retirement they just push you out of the way and you'll end up with that job start at 5.00 an hour (or 2 jobs) what about that system uh?
Vince Farmintino Well Vince I work every day around Jewish people, although a lot of your statements and facts have some validity it was told to me by my Jewish friend that it is a grave difference coming to America as a Family unit on your on accord due to whatever circumstances that led to leaving one's country vs being capture removed from a Family unit or even being around others of the same unit. He said it is like comparing apples to oranges both are fruits but totally different in taste/circumstances. Why are you so determine to prove your point or do you think you are enlightening the good old Black folks? If you are so open and without prejudices quit trying so hard…it is not a good fit!!!! I know you are educated and so am I but, sometimes, it is wiser too listen and not always trying to prove one's position or "I am going to convince them that their thoughts and beliefs are only a figment of one's imagination." Too many times when you speak from experiences (Black) then you are labeled as playing the race card, victim, reverse racism or playing the blame game.
Charles Matthew – What is this "the race card" thing? This overused, non-existent, trite expression needs to go. Nobody knows what the hey it is. Is it something like playing the "LGBT card"? Or, is it something like playing the "Black folks just want to be victims card"? I just want an answer that I can understand; one that makes sense Charles.
Next, I'm happy that you and many other people who think like you, decided to use President Obama as an example of how "All Americans are equal now." Anyone who keeps up with current events knows that President Obama has been vilified by politicians and many Americans ever since he was elected president back in 2008.
His life has been threatened more than any other modern American president in history. The United States Congress has done everything within its power to obstruct President Obama's programs. In fact, a group of Congressmen and Senators threw a little party (meeting) on Inauguration night of Jan. 20, 2009, vowing to do everything they could to block the president's agenda; which included not cooperating with him.
And have you noticed the high level of disrespect shown to him? You have the boldness of Congressman Joe Wilson, pointing his finger and shouting loudly at the president, "YOU LIE"? What about the perpetual accusation that he is not a U.S. citizen? Oh, what about all the political cartoons depicting him as some kind of buffoon or monkey, and other stereotypical black caricature images.
And, I'm sure you know that this treatment extends to Mrs. Obama, and to a lesser degree, their daughters. Let's not forget that Fox-No-News and its loyal followers (legions of them) continuously castigate the president. I've never heard such vile talk toward anyone, and especially a sitting president, as I hear from these people.
Yes, Charles Matthew, if this is what you call "All Americans being equal" you can keep it, because not many of us want it. By the way, this is just a drop in the ocean of how President Obama (our first Black American president) has been and is being treated. You are free to accuse me of "playing" any kind of "card" that you wish. The truth is, I'm telling the truth; everything that I've said is factual and well documented. You are free to fact check me.
JonYanhko, The Tulsa Race Riot speaks volumes of what the oppressive system is in modern times. Black people excelled in every aspect. An example to the world. Research it if you are not familiar with it. White people for whatever their reasons can not endure peoples of color out-doing them in anything, ever. So, they destroy, by any means necessary. Yes, these things still happen in 20014. Black celebrities going to jail for what their white counterparts simply pay a fine for, like not paying taxes. Most likely the accountant is white, but oh well, he should have paid his taxes. But you know all of this. DaeDae, surely you jest. Don't let your embarrassment and frustration with the least educated of our people deprive you of your common sense.
It seems to me that mr. Vince is trying harder to convince himself that his lies are true. Everything that he says goes against actual history, and archaeological fact. It is nothing more then propaganda designed to Poison the Well and keep the truth about actual history cloudy. Remember, "History is written and rewritten by those who are in control at the time" (Robert R. Thimas Jr.). Also your soliloquy about carbon dating and all that was fine and dandy but you have yet to answer the question that I posed in the first place which is why is it that the Jews can continue to bring up the Holocaust as me to gain sympathy in order to get more concessions yet when we as black people talk about slavery we are dismissed as playing the race card? I'm pretty sure just as many black people were murdered during the slave trade and Jews were killed in the Holocaust.
I watched the Town hall meeting and was proud this young man is Black!!
This man in the video is correct to a degree. Also at the same time I think he is missing some vital information , besides the negative images that are used daily and programmed in our psyche black people are their own worst enemy. You can blame all day, but with no plan to change where does it start. The system is corrupt, but at the same time we embrace separatism, materialism, self destructive behaviors that nobody wants to truly address ( For Example people still buying Jordans * sometimes the same pair). These conscious guys seem so intelligent yet you never hear answers. I like that they are having a discussion but lets address it all if you want to have a dialogue.
Kimberly D Farmer spoken like a true benefactor of white privilege. It's not saying much sweetie that you were able to forge a life for you and your white family after being raised poor and making poor decisions. #1. I'm not even sure what your first paragraph is saying, but that's understandable since the public school you attended obviously didn't teach the difference between weak and week. #2. There are many college scholarships dedicated to people for a myriad of reasons i.e, being Black, being Native American, being a female, being Irish, being English, being the child of a veteran, being a veteran, being disabled, being a good swimmer, being a good cheerleader, being valedictorian, being salutatorian, being the child of an alumni, being a Samurai, being a descendant of a Confederate war hero so I"m not sure what your point is about that. Also HBCUs were created because white people didn't want to go to college with black people. Some of these schools were even created by white people with common sense because they understood that for our country to be successful all of its people needed to be educated. #3 You should also note that the SCOTUS recently rendered a decision that majority white colleges and universities have carte blanche to not create quotas or diversity plans that by the way never allowed Black people in that weren't qualified. If you were Black you would know that we are taught that we have to be twice as good and if you're a female then you have to thrice as good to compete with mediocre white people. #4. It's also apparent that you may have been living under a rock for some time and have not seen a documentary or read an article regarding the consistent oppression of black people in America. For instance, Soledad O'Brien's first installment of Black in America featured a white male business owner stating that he would hire a white male felon with a G.E.D. over a college educated Black male with a graduate degree and no criminal background. So if that isn't oppression, honey I don't know what is. I'm not sure who told you that Black people are asking anyone to do anything for us, but if we were why can't we? You gave money to Holocaust victims, Native Americans operate casinos and pay no taxes and Japanese-Americans that were put in internment camps for approximately 3 years during WWII all received a formal apology and $20,000 for their pain and suffering. Hmm 3 years versus 400 years of slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, court rulings that said we weren't humans, white destruction of thriving Black communities like Rosewood, Florida and Greenwood, Tulsa, OK also known as Black Wall Street because their white neighbors were jealous of the Black people who when left to their own devices created flourishing and prosperous communities of wealthy Blacks while the white neighbors weren't doing too hot. Sincerely, an educated black woman with a graduate degree who has consistently ran circles around white managers and VPs with GEDs but couldn't get the promotion or the raise because of their racist attitudes, who also has endured a white co-worker being promoted to my job title and salary with only a B.A. and couldn't do half of what I do and wasn't required to and was told by our white boss that it didn't matter that I was better, did things she couldn't do and I'm the resident budget guru in the office and have to explain to elected officials what's going on because they don't get it that he wasn't going to correct the wrong that was done and then had the audacity to ask me to do the work that his current white staff was supposed to do because they now worked for him but he didn't want them to do it. Of course that didn't happen. So yes honey oppression, discrimination and racism are alive and well.
Since it seems like most white Americans don't understand why black people feel as we do, try putting black history back in school. Know the history then you will know the people. We are a divided people. Due to ignorance and greed. Black against black and white against black. This isn't what God want us to do. But, sin has cost all us to fail. Until we truly unite in God's wisdom then we becomes one people.
Devon Chastain Thats because majority of the time we have to pull teeth just to get justice.. Where when a white get fuck over in life the system is quick to through us in jail regardless of the evidence show they did it or not… kinda like a to kill a mocking bird situation
And look at you sounding like our ancestors pointing fingers at each other lol
Why does violence even need to happen? I could just leave it at that but it honestly upsets me when people get violent for reasons that shouldn't have happened in the first place. I don't care what color you are, on the inside we are all red. We all bleed the same color. With all the racism between both cultures, i say don't teach the ugliness of this fight. Abolish words that are hateful from the vocabulary and build a new generation with the knowledge that there is no difference between skin colors. Morgan Freeman puts it best when he did an interview on black history month.
Hmm…they sold slaves to Europeans with the understanding that they were going to be treated like African countries treated their slaves. And last I checked there are a lot of people, including Americans selling women and girls into slavery. It's really bad in the countries that formerly were a part of Russia. So your statement makes absolutely no sense. You do know that the Civil Rights Act is only 50 years old. So we are not that far removed from lynchings, Jim Crow, the bombing of the church in Little Rock, the murder of Emmett Till because he whistled at a white lady, the murders of the civil rights workers in Mississippi, the nonsensical beating of Rodney King by white cops, the death of Trayvon Martin who was carrying a bottle of tea and Skittles, the death of Jordan Davis because he was playing his music too loud and the murder of Michael Brown who was shot and killed by the white officer while his hands were up and saying I surrender. I feel sorry for Black people like you. Poor little tink tink.
Charles Carlies I just said the same thing. White people don't want us to be prosperous and flourishing. They burned down Greenwood, Tulsa, OK and Rosewood because of their jealousy. Honestly, I think integration is the worst thing that could have happened to Black people. When left to our own devices and neighborhoods we have demonstrated success. Black people want the same thing Iranians and Iraqis can get when they step foot on U.S. soil. Loans to open businesses. Decent schools for our children to attend. For our children to not be criminalized for making a simple mistake, while their white counterparts are taking home to mommy and daddy and not to juvenile court and given diversion and community service so they will have a clean record at 18.
I like what you say about building our communities, it is all about self determination. As for them not speaking about slavery, oh yes they must, and they must pay reparations. Then we will be better able to be about self determination. They all got help to start their beginning, not African people, why they think we can do to do so much, they din't do it without help. We had nothing, and we made this world for them.
Vince Farmintino whites don't commit crime? Why aren't you worried about it then? If you are worried about it, why aren't you saying anything about it?
But see it wasn't about him and no one accused him of anything. So why is he feeling victimized? If the history has nothing to do with him it has nothing to do with him. Slavery, The Civil War, Jim Crow, lynchings, the Ku Klux Klan, Brown vs Board of Education, the Civil Rights movement, these are all historical facts. If his family wasn't here, then his family wasn't here, what has that to do with anything?
It isn't about him, or his family..he should have kept his mouth shut.
I personally was never a slave either..but I darned sure know prejudice, police brutality, racism and discrimination. Anybody advancing the fiction that this country grew up around race at the end of the Civil War is full of something and is definitely not telling the truth.
Vince Farmintino I would LOVE to see Ben Carson run for president..that way he can see for himself what the GOpeople really think of him. And if you think MLK would line up with you vs his own people..you are seriously deluded.
What makes you think you're qualified to tell black people about MLK anyway? Let me guess, because you're a conservative white male and everything is all about you anyway..right?
But since you keep wanting to mention the man..why don't you start by telling us what happened to him? Go on and tell us what you peace loving, open minded, law abiding good white people did to him?
Go on..we're all ears.
Race hustler..you want to see a race hustler..? Go look in the mirror.
Todd Leonard You'll never see it. What isn't anyone saying? It's seems you're stuck on disbelief. Why don't you inform on EVERYTHING blacks have going for them. I doubt you can or will even attempt to try which will give you avenue to same that same line, "prove it" Prove it wrong Todd. I know its not possible but If it were 50-60 years ago, who would be better off then. By default. But it's not your fault. I assume you're really color blind.
Ain't that a kick in the head? Conservative whites want to claim MLK almost 50 years after murdering the man. Wow! Talk about shameless!
Seriously Vince, some of us were here then. Some of us know from experience what what the history is..so try to sell that garbage somewhere else. Go sell it to Nugent, maybe he'll buy some. Go sell it to Limbaugh, or some of other conservative race baiters out there.
Your entire presence in this discussion is insulting to us. You're dishonest and unwelcome. Shut up.
You are so out of touch . You are quick trying to find racist comments towards white people where you refuse to see the truth. Just because a black person talk about slavery and how it set a tune in this country for blacks does not make them racist nor is a black person crying about the past. Why are white people like you so sensitive when blacks talk about slavery . There isn't a problem when Native Americans or Jews bring up there mistreatment in this country so why is such a issue when blacks do . So what if we do it all the time ; America still don't get … I am refraining from going further because you already figure out how the system works is toward black people. You have walk in a black person shoes everyday ; that you figured out only thing you need is hard work . Yes , there is some truth to that statement . However , even though you have to work hard blacks have to work harder. the first thing a CEO Is the origin of a name of an application , ,then the race when the candidate comes for the interview . So if a black person, Afro , mixed Latino or a Women and Asian just needed to work hard then Affirmative Action would not have been put in place to protect a women , black , and so on . So yes black people work hard naturally, but we have to work harder . So please stop making ignorant comments , at least try to have some understanding.
Vince Farmintino – I have a lot of Black friends too, plus, if you notice, I'm also Black. I have a lot of White associates, acquaintances, neighbors, etc. I also attended an all White undergraduate college and I attended two different predominately White universities for my graduate work. In other words, I earned a bachelor's degree, and two master's degrees. In addition, I grew up in a small Southern community and interacted with Whites, in fact, I even had White playmates. However, the overriding fact is I'm still a member of the Negroid race. Period. To be more true to present day "speak"; I'm still an African American (Please don't start a debate about this label).
Meaning, when I'm with unfamiliar Whites, my background is not at all considered; I'm seen as a "black" person first; period. It doesn't matter that I have associations with other White people, it doesn't matter that I attended and graduated from three different schools of higher learning. It, doesn't matter that I've earned three academic degrees, most White people that I encounter treat me as been different from them.
I can't begin to tell you how many times in social settings, or any other situation for that matter, that White people are at a lost as to what to talk to me about. So, they usually start talking to me about "black" people and black current events. Many will remind me that I'm black (as if I didn't know that already); they'll say something like, "you're black" or ask me if I know some other black person. When I tell them that I don't know the individual, they'll come back with, "Well she's black like you" or something to that effect. If I mention anything outside of the Black community, they always look shocked; as if they can't believe I have the intelligence to discuss anything that "only" they would or, even should know about.
I could go on with this line of thought, but I won't; because my main point in responding to your post is this: No matter how many friends we have from another race, we still don't know what it's like or how it even feels to be a member of that race. In other words, don't think that you know "Black" people just because you have Black friends. Believe it or not, there is a real distinct difference in the two races.
That's not to say that we don't have the same wants, desires, goals, and aspirations as all other human beings. And it has nothing to do with skin colour in and of itself. Skin color is just one unique element of the Negroid race. And please don't tell me that race is a "man-made" invention, because it isn't. I would suggest to you and anyone else who may want to know more about what the differences are to do a little reading and research.
Vince Farmintino – And it can be also be said about former President George W. Bush. He used to brag about being an under-performing student at Yale. Plus, did you ever hear him speak? I just love his quote: "….is our kids learning in school." I don't think I've ever heard President Obama (or any other president) use incorrect Standard English.
COLTON YOU ARE A RACIST. ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY HAVE SEVERAL BLACK FRIENDS IS FULL OF BS WHY CAN'T THEY JUST BE FRIENDS WHY OU SINGLE OUT BLACK FRIENDS DO YOU CALL YOUR WHITE FRIENDS WHITE OR JUST FRIENDS. YOU THE TYPE WHEN SOME OTHER RACIST COME AROUND AND ATTACK A BLACK PERSON YOU WILL NOT STAND UP FOR YOUR FRIEND. STRAIGHT UP TRY TO SELL YOUR STORY TO SOMEONE WHO WILL BELIEVE IT. YOU FAKE AS A THREE DOLLAR BILL. HOLD COLTON YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY IT IS LIKE IT IS. WHEN YOU FIND OUT THE REAL DEAL YOU MAY DROP ALL YOUR BLACK FRIENDS. ON THE REAL SIDE OF THE WORLD.
CROSS THE REASON AMERICA IS IN THE POSITION IT IS IN IS FREE BLACK LABOR FROM SLAVERY. WHY SHOULD I WORK HARD. TWICE EVERY WEEK BLACK MEN ARE KILLED AT THE HANDS OF WHITES POLICE WHEN THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING. THERE IS A REAL DOUBLE STANDARD. JUSTICE NEEDS TAKE THE BLIND FOLD OFF. VOTE A VERY MISLEADING MAKE BELIEVE PIE IN THE SAYING. BLACKS ON MAKE UP 12% OF POPULATION HOW ARE WE GOING TO EFFECT AN ELECTION. THE REPUBLICANS HAVE PUNISHED ALL OF AMERICA FOR ELECTING OBAMA. VOTE YES GO OUT AND VOTE. BUT DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE. SOME OF US BLACKS KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE THAT WHITES ARE USING THE FIRST LAW OF NATURE AGAINST BLACKS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE REAL TRUTH.
If white people can't take a few seconds each day to contemplate what it might be like to not be white, I don't know if you can keep calling them people.
"You do understand that the current system of keeping blacks in the urban plantation cesspools were put in place by liberal democrats to solidify a permanent voting base to keep them in power."
It's really hard to understand how an idea that silly has gained any traction.
Don't you realize that that exact same logic could be turned around to describe pockets of rural white poverty that overwhelmingly send Republicans to Congress even as their economic prospects continue to wither every year?
Vince Farmintino – Is there something wrong with you? It sounds to me that you've bought into this whole propaganda about "Black" folks being lazy, uneducated, dumb, moral-less, welfare kings and queens, and the list goes on. Just because you haven't heard of any issues that are being voiced on this site doesn't mean these issues don't exist. But, I've read a few of your posts on this thread and you sound just like a broken record.
You are determined to convince Blacks on this thread that they're delusional and don't have a clue about what race relations are in this country. Without knowing it, you are the epitome of what Blacks are saying about institutional racism. As long as you feel you are in a position of power and control, everything is fine; but if you get the slightest feeling that you're not in control (of this discussion) you start with the usual "convince them that they're wrong and I'm (we're) right." Well Vince Farmintino, you're wrong this time. Talk about playing the "blame game"; you have it down to a science.
I'm of the Negroid persuasion and I have been for many years, a lot more than 17years for sure, and I know you cannot tell me anything about Black people that would impress me in the least. I've worked in many organizations with White people too, and I could tell you much more than you would like to hear about them. But I have a feeling that you would say I'm telling tales of fantasy.
Lastly, what makes you think that if you haven't personally seen some of the things that posters are talking about here that it didn't or doesn't happen? You are just one person with one set of eyes, one set of ears, and one body that contains them. So, how can you be so adamant about posters not being truthful?
By the way, you are so insulting to Black people; you are implying that the majority of Black 17-18 year olds make negative choices in life. What about 17-18 year olds from other race/ethnic groups? Are you saying that all of them make wise and positive choices? Well I guess so; if you discount the ones that commit mass school shootings, mass theatre shootings, mass mall shootings, and don't forget the little jealous girls that kill and attempt to kill other teenage girls just because they feel like it.
Oh, I forgot, these kids suffer from emotional and mental problems. Right? Let's not forget the little rich ones that kill their rich parents just to get their hands on their inheritance before the parents can die from natural causes. Don't believe that either? As the old saying goes, clean up your own house before you start telling me to clean up my house.
But… he did mention "black, white and/or people".
If i may object for a second, and respectfully so. the fact of the matter is that these people dont do certain things because the "system" takes advantage of the poverty. Black people as a whole are mostly sanctioned off in unsafe neighborhoods. they are surrounded by some strange media assumption that the "thug life" is one to be looked up to. Instead of airing more positive music they go for only what sells. This is a both the fault of the radio conglomerate and the Government for not putting some form of restrictions on the radio- and no i Don't mean censorship, i mean basic regulation. What songs do you hear most? "fuck bitches" "I let him hit it 'cause he slang Cocaine" and with this being a flood of media induced… to the point where Music is no longer diverse it's all advertisement of a specific life-style. Add on to this the issues of the public school system being a complete failure. Instead of gearing education to be some individualized thing it's just crass memorization and it Just doesn't appeal to the kids in school with these problems- meanwhile little jimmy in the suburbs will be fine. Why should we care to pick this book up when apparently selling drugs is an easier way to make money? why try to be a lawyer when i can sit and play basket-ball all day. This is a product of where people live. When you see the people closest to you acting, and what you see all around you -say, the radio- is what you become. Keep in mind most of these neighborhoods are dirt poor. struggles are happening everywhere in these communities. it's hard to place a focus on a successful goal when you have no choice but to react to the times at hand. I could spend [insert insane amount of money here] for school. but what about my situation now? I have to pay these bills or I'm homeless. i have to take care of my parents because their sick/druggies/ all of the above… It's a flat out malicious cycle. Do you know what this "system" stopping everything is? Money. Plain and simple money makes the world go round. without it you have to be both extremely talented and extremely LUCKY. Money is why the radio doesn't diversify. money is why the schools cant teach in better manners. And it's a very cruel system that takes advantage of the Situations of the lesser fortunate. Add on to this preconceived notions of race, aka stereotypes makes the companies in charge much more biased against black men- more accurately minorities. I can not tell you how many times I've been profiled just for being black (and the white people who walked around dressed the same way were not), nor can i tell you how many white people were taken aback by how properly i speak despite living in a bad area. This is all preconceived notion. it makes getting specific jobs harder. it makes getting specific opportunities harder. Some people don't even want to waste their time with you just because of your background and race. Once again these do not affect Mr Jimmy from the suburbs. there is a very real problem. Is the best solution to go around blaming? no. but at the same time if we want any inkling of an even society… somebody has to step in, and actively make a change…..
we had that before…but it seems that a certain group doesn't see us a valueable…let alone competitive on an economic level…. here's the proof—–> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa,_Oklahoma#.22The_Black_Wall_Street.22
Tara Pagliara, It's appreciated when there are more people of your understanding, Black People are not angry (not the ones I know) they just want to be treated with respect, I read the insults every once in awhile and it's soo sad how Humans behave, how we treat each other, how we treat animals, how we destroy our environment, how we swim in greed and lust for material things, the list goes on and on just like the beat, it's time for a new Song because this one has soo played out.
oh yeah….we already had a religion our religion before coming here and had your fucking jesus shoved down the native americans throats let alone ours.
Example A——> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa,_Oklahoma#.22The_Black_Wall_Street.22
Vince Farmintino Just an FYI, Sharpton and Jackson have gone to Detroit multiple times to work on summits to aid the Detroit communities to end the violence. Problem is the media does not advertise such stories because they want to keep people like you and everyone else outside of the black community, to believe they are just agitators and not plan makers… **Shrug** research it.
Vince Farmintino Greenwood ,Tulsa Oklahoma June 1st 1921
Vince Farmintino http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa,_Oklahoma#.22The_Black_Wall_Street.22
Vince Farmintino are you still here trolling and making a stand for The Whites? Did you know that Blacks invented many things and it was taken and given to the White owners who patented these ideals, but because of your blind hatred and self righteous attitude you'll never understand this, I've traveled all around the world and met many different people of races and I know the difference between intelligence and Ignorance, I won't waste any more words with a person like you because ignorance can lay very deep within the selfish person, all I can tell you is: YOU'RE ON THE WRONG PAGE DUDE!!!
Thanks Deva Houston
I'm a patrol officer and I encountered a young man that wasn't suppose to be visiting a certain other person. I told him to make better decisions and we talked a minute. Later a friend of his asked me did you approach him because he was black? I replied, I encountered a young man who's name I learned and addressed him as such. I remember the very pleasant conversation we had and how impressed I was with his personality and character. It was the person he visited that concealed his visit and I did not hold that against him. I didn't prod him with questions, I let him tell me why he was there. What I observed was a good kid and I was insulted that his friend brought up his color. I didn't speak to a black man, I spoke to an intelligent honest and very likeable young man and what I remember of him is his name. His friend didn't want her parents to know he was there so she made him park down the road and of course I was suspicious for good reason. She had intentions, he was a gentleman and unaware of the web the walked into. I had to laugh because he was such a typical teen. Let us grow up America because at some point we were all this kid at one time in our youth. Race is a run for the finish, its cars gunning for the checkered flag, it has no place in the consciousness of men!
Jon Yanhko there is something such as 'white privilege' that means like it or not white people get certain privileges because of their skin. Black ppl are denied much because of their skin, jobs, finance, justice , the list is very long. lets start there
The truth Is Showing Itself thru some Young People who are the thinkers in our communities!
Keep On Pushin Against What's Goin On In The System!
I never heard the boy speak. It kept going back to the interview about Dream Defenders.
Brandon J BanksThis is the first I heard of what happened in Oklahoma, it's horrible, as were (and still are) many other acts of hatred toward people just because of the color of their skin. I don't know what this has to do with the current situation I posted about, though. That was 93 years and a lot of progress ago. It certainly does prove my point though, there were 21 churches destroyed, religion and good Christian values certainly played a large role in that community. I'm betting there were very few single mothers at that time, too. Just so you understand, it's not just a problem in the black community, it's just most prevalent there. By a lot.
Brandon J Banks As far as the religion your ancestors had before being forced here, as long as they had the same basic values and morals as Christians do, including the requirement that couples be married before having children, then what difference does it make? As long as it didn't allow murder, stealing, or any other forms of violence against others, what difference does it make? You needn't look very hard to see the opposite of that is not working out very well. Look, this isn't the answer to all the problems in the urban, inner city black communities, but adopting and really supporting something akin to the ten commandments, with whatever brand of religion you want to have, would be a big step in the right direction, and would go toward solving many of the problems there. Many of the problems anywhere.
I Love your response rather than black americans complaining bout their bloody skin colour all the flippin time got no time for chit chat we are black so what, deal with it if not bloody learn we need to teach are black youth to love themselves for who they are not crappy opinion of a white man
Vince Farmintino If you're going to cite partisan politics, you're already missing the entire point. Racism & systems of subjugation have no political affiliation, and economic disenfranchisement is something that obviously cuts across color lines as well as the Congressional aisle.
And for the record, in my opinion, 'neither US political party has proven to be anything other than opportunistic in its lust for the Minority voting block. Neither party has been a major benefit to any issues pertaining to Persons of Color (outside of pointing out how the opposite party is missing the mark). BOTH parties, however, have done a fine job of using Washington to manipulate the Minority constituency into taking sides in a system of governance that up until relatively recently was unilaterally dead set against them, and continues to show blatant bias in terms of economics, legislation, and basic social advocacy. I am hard pressed to seek allegiance to any of this asinine partisan posturing. I remain unbothered + unimpressed with my country’s overall treatment of Black and Hispanic Americans, and neither the Republican nor the Democratic agendae have convinced me otherwise.'
Bob, I don't think anyone would disagree with you on the importance of a strong family nucleus, or the value of constant engagement & chastising of children during their developmental years. There is so much research and extremely informative precent that may serve as answers to your questions, so I am not going to elaborate on it, suffice to say that it was best said recently on a news program by Hip-Hop artist and politico David Banner: when you have a society (race notwithstanding) that is constantly pushing the idea that People of Color in America – particularly men – are limited to the extremes of social visibility & interaction (i.g. either grow up to be an athlete, entertainer, President etc., or find yourself in jail or at the business end of a weapon), there is an inherent, subconscious train of thought that is formed that tells People of Color that their lives are forfeit, that they have little to no value, that even the basic the concept of living a fulfilling, productive life is something that is near impossible, and if you achieve it, not only are you going to be looked at as a token success story by the rest of our nation (even though statistics prove that plenty of American People of Color are living such lives), you will simultaneously be vilified by People of Color (i.e. the 'crabs-in-a-bucket' mentality).
This constant FEEDING of such a message, were it something that were applied to other races and cultures, would bring our country to a standstill and cause an even more destructive breakdown of our society/economy than the current Recession has done. But the truth remains that the message – whether deliberate or circumstantial – continues to target so-called 'Minority' populations within the Union. And when you are constantly being told/shown that the value of your life is less than that of your peers simply because of your skin color, or ethnic background, or religious affiliation, it begins to manifest itself in conscious thought/action, through self-hatred, community-based violence, and a perpetually blighted sense of progress. I know plenty of single mothers who are Black/Hispanic/Mixed Race, who are doing absolutely right by their children, and whose children, in turn, and learning to see the world as full of possibilities and not roadblocks. But your mainstream media, news outlets, and political avenues will never focus on those positive examples of the evolution of the modern family, simply because it's not interesting enough to catch the attention of the American people. No, what the system has decided is that negative imagery, controversial race stories, and damning journalism are what keep people tuned in & make them less likely to question the world around them.
I take no responsibility away from people who would commit senseless acts of violence or theft, but neither will I pretend that there isn't something bigger at work here in my country, something that is centuries old, something that very influential people/organizations really don't want to change or fix, simply because it would alter their ways of life – ways of life, mind you, that have been established on the foundations of American classism & bigotry. Bob, I urge you to do some research on race relations in America as they pertain to the post-modern digital age, so that you can better answer for yourself the questions you & those like you continue to pose to individuals with whom you clearly have no desire to empathize, or understand, or show basic compassion. If you're not willing to take the time & invest in some personal discovery, then your questions will continue to fall on deaf ears, even if the mouths attached to those ears are providing you with the correct answers.
Chris Spencer First of all iam and never was in that Predicament, I am a Barbadian, and in Barbados we rule, !00% of our cops are African descendants, and 98% of our Politictions are African descendants. The shit that happens to afro-Americans in that country is foreign to me , But i can tell you and all those black people that are giving me gripe here now. If it was me i would go down in flames and take a whole lot of you bastards with me, it is the only language you lot understand.
I saw that – he was looking like "what the what?" 'Are you crazy!"
Hi, this is a quick note to remember, black people did not win their freedom all on their own either from slavery or in the civil rights movement, we needed allies to do these things people from all different backgrounds that could see the evil and respond to it in the places that we could not and talk to those people who would never have listened to us, people who stood beside us, some of whom who paid the ultimate price. We do them and ourselves a great disservice when we forget this.
This reminds me of something profound I once heard Jason Whitlock (ESPN and Kansas City Star sportswriter) say regarding trying to have a productive conversation on race relations in America. In an interview with Bob Costas, Whilock (who is a black american) said "We will never have a productive discussion on race relations in America, because how can you have a productive discussion when one side of the table feels they are the only ones who can do the talking?" Powerful, powerful statement. This may have something to do with the defensive reaction you mentioned
First, your statement requires the necessary, albeit illogical presumption that because you are in some way or achieve some level that people will see you that way and treat you accordingly. Holding to that principle is essentially tackling symptoms and not the disease. The disease is racial discrimination, a side effect of which is a poor conception of a individual, but racial discrimination has man faces and many symptoms. The problem is the illness and ending it does not begin with trying to improperly tackle a symptom. And let's not be naive and say things like "slavery" is a weak excuse. Racial discrimination seldom comes in the blatant form of slavery statutes and Jim Crow laws, but that does not mean that it is at a sufficient low ebb that it doesn't warrant active combating. And of course there are problems in the black community, as you seem keen to point out. But to ignore the socio economic and political levers that have been in place before anyone on Social media was born seems to reduce the level of discourse on this very important topic to an assinyingly basic and uninformed level. Also, I do not understand posters claiming that "they have black friends that succeeded from the inner city" and such. And? Racial discrimination and systematic oppression is not mutually exclusive from success. You can succeed despite it. I am evidence of this. But I would never use my own personal success as a blanket, absolutism that "because I did it, you can do it" or suppose that "clearly racial discrimination doesn't exist, I made it." There isn't a cause and effect relationship here, there's barely a correlating one. So while it's good to acknowledge that black people can put themselves in a better position to succeed by "going to the library" and "treating black women better" or voting in black leaders when they can, those things are in no way, shape, or form, a panacea for racial discrimination.
Todd Leonard hi todd my name is Andre Smith i served my country in the army i have never been on gov. asst. i have two sons 19 and 20 years old never been in jail i am a home owner tax payer. know with that being said if i was white i would not get pull over all the time with reasons like you went 20 meters with your turn signal on before you changed lanes or if i can't sleep at midnight i go for a walk and cops roll up on me running my ID and checking my pockets so if you would like to know why i do not feel the same as you it is not because my choices it is because of the choice of the people who treat this 43 year old farther of two young black men home owner tax payer like a thug todd have you ever felt like you were being treated that way. if yes then yes we are the same but i don't think so
Vince Farmintino ok your right but like not all white people like people like me not all black people make the right choice so i'll be the man and say i have no right to put all white people in one group can you do the same. i am not stupid there are some thugs out here that there is no hope for but you can not look at a person and tell that just like i can.t look at a white person and tell if they hat me simply cause i'm black until they show me
I understand what is meant by "systems". However; I would have said broken systems, because working systems work for all not for a select few or group.( the train system transports all that are on board, lottery system that if you win, you win if you have the winning ticket.etc…)
Marcia I agree with you 100% it's time for unity our communities…we have to look out for ourselves and stop depending on or looking for white America's approval..
I will keep my response to this so called black man brief, If all blacks were educated and law abiding there would be other reason not not hire or respect them, anyone who doesn't see that blacks cant be equally accepted in positions and be respected just like whites, is truly a lost person, there will never be an all black corporate meeting but, there are all white ones everyday, there will never be an all black senate or congress but we know that answer to.
Saiffeldeen Muhammad you speak the truth, my brother. People need to overstand that it has NOT disappeared in just 40 years. Turning a blind eye or acting as though this mess doesn't exist is the answer.
All this talk about "systematic oppression" and yet the only the only evidence ever brought to the table are vague anecdotes about security guards in a department store possibly glaring in the direction of a person of color. Meanwhile, if I cite real crime stats showing actual "systematic" patterns of violence, I would be the one who is ignorant. The Chinese were oppressed since the building of the trans-continental railroad and yet these days they exceed a middle class standard of living within on generation.
marcia– No one owes anyone an explanation, but just like everyone else had an opinion, the white guy had one too. Just because you do not like what he said or u didn't agree means nothing, DO NOT DISMISS PEOPLE OPINIONS THAT ARE NOT THE SAME AS YOURS. Guess what i am white and i know black people that categorize me along with the racist white folks, and I am faaaaaaarrr from racist.. Guess what should i categorize you with the racist black folks??? Anyway how do we move on and work together, instead calling it BET,or black heritage month. I am not allowed to have a white herita