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Monday, September 1st, 2014

Debate Stirs Over Viral Video of Trinidadian Mother Disciplining Daughter


A video gone viral of a mother beating her 12-year-old daughter, which was posted on Facebook, was yesterday described as not the first of its kind. However, the mother is now facing varying forms of public criticism for the punishment she meted out to her child.

“I have seen other parents do something similar about a year ago,” said behavioral therapist Wendell de Leon, who is worried it may become a trend in Trinidad and Tobago. He is not in support of corporal punishment of that nature.

“People are seeking to humiliate others in the public domain rather than in the privacy of their homes. They are using the social network as a medium of punishment,” he said.

The six-minute video shows the mother administering some 63 lashes to her daughter with a belt on mostly her arms and back while scolding her about trying to send out an indecent photo of herself on the Internet. The words of the mother are not all completely clear, however, and some web viewers thought the girl was being punished for sending her underwear to a male friend.

“This is a nice show,” the mother says in one segment of the video, looking into the web camera set up in the kitchen.

There is no information on when and from where the video was posted, who did it, or the names of the mother and daughter. But as of  yesterday, there were 636 shares and 122 comments. There were mixed reactions in the comments, some describing it as abuse and others saying the girl “looked for that.”

Several people the T&T Guardian spoke to had similar responses. Asked if he thought it was abuse, de Leon said the aim of punishment for wrongdoing should be to change undesirable behavior.

Corporal punishment at a particular point in a child’s life does not effectively promote behavior change, he said. This “point” would be between the ages of 11 and 13, and beating someone around this age can only foster resentment, defiance and fear, he said.

De Leon, also the president of the National Institute for Promoting Responsible Fathers, said inflicting corporal on someone, and highlighting it on Facebook can only cause embarrassment and humiliation. He said “deeper issues” may have caused the 12-year old to want to advertise herself in that manner on Facebook. “She may be seeking some kind of attention she is not getting.”

The Ministry of Gender, Youth and Child Development said yesterday it is concerned about the beating of the 12-year girl by her mother. “The Ministry of Gender, Youth and Child Development has noted with concern the viral video of a mother beating her young daughter for allegedly posting inappropriate photos of herself on the popular social media site Facebook,” a release from the ministry said.

“The ministry wishes to advise parents there are different forms of discipline which should be considered when dealing with children. The ministry strongly advocates the use of non-physical forms of discipline. Physical forms of discipline can lead to harm and unintended consequences, including serious injury, poor mental health or even death.”

The release said the ministry also recognizes that during adolescent years, many children face challenges that may lead to inappropriate behavior, such as the posting of unsuitable images on social media.

“This may be a sign of deeper issues which need to be addressed. Parents are also encouraged to monitor their children’s use of social media and other information technologies, especially as these relate to the posting of inappropriate photographs and videos. This can have serious consequences for the child’s reputation and character.”

Comments

  1. Most black parents beat there children, because they are incapable of being good parents. The major reason, beatings during slavery has been inbeded, in our psyche, we were beaten so badly every day, it became the norm, just like a lot of other things that went on during slavery, and we still do today. Like still eating slave food, all the moaning and groaning, the screaming and hollering it appear, at the preacher and God, in church. The overly religious behavior, this is waht they were taught, during slavery, if you have problems, you have to take it up with God, read your bible we gave you. This mother is sorry, how could she hit the child that many times? They should take the child out of that environment, and never bring her back. I bet she goes to church every Sunday, woman please, people like you make me sick.

  2. To me it is so funny all these people are talking about this mother and how she punishes her child. However if more parents took a little more responsibility for some of the stuff there children do. There might be less in jail or dead. I say she might have been a bit excessive however a little punishment now as opposed to those pictures the girl was posting causing her to come up missing later. I have always said a healthy fear of mom and dad kept us out of alot of trouble. The problem with alot of children today is they think that at any age they can do exactly what they want and their are no consequences. Parents need to do it so the police dont have to so I say good for the mother.

  3. and most other races including indian are too afraid of their children to beat them…that is why their children rule them….and most of them get pregnant at a young
    age

  4. I dont see nothing wrong with it, the bible say spare the rod spool the child. She'll be ok, they go out in the street, being disrespectful to adults, and doing crazy stuff, she'll get it worse in prison. Need more moms like her.

  5. I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS THAT WAS TOO MUCH.OT TURNED INTO A

  6. Ekundu Sekola Chane says:

    Not because they are incapable of being good parents but because they are incapable to sit down and talk to their children, explain them why the child is doing wrong.

  7. Kofi Victorine Incappable of sitting down to talk to their children, is incapable of being good parents, you are repeating what I said.

  8. Cosandra Foreman There is no excuse for burtality against our children. I believe the violent behavior come from the misintruption of the Bible, where it says, "Spare the rod, spoil the child". If this is what it means, I am not going to use it. Continue to use violence against your children, we will continue to see violence in the streets among black people, and a continued large incarceration rates of black people. Does it cross your mind, this might be the problem we see in Chicago, blacks killing each other every day. Besides, I see black parents all the time committing violence against their children right in the public, the grocery stores, I am told of black parents coming to their children's schools attacking them for something they did at school or at home. We got to stop the violence toward our children, like this woman, you said, "Good for the mother". Oh please, you just don't get it. Tell me why are blacks so violent toward each other? When you couple hate for each other, and violence against them in the home, it creates a good combination, to commit violence against each other in the streets.

  9. Antonio Martin If she goes to prison, it will be because her mother has instill violence in her. If the Bible meant, beating the hell out of your child, maybe you need to read something else. Beating you child is bad teaching.

  10. I take offense to that, why is race being used here, most Caribbean people on the whole beat their kids like that. Is it right ? absolutely not,

  11. Nzingha Shabaka I agree with you. if you are unable to show restraint and tolerance you are unable to communicate properly. Therefore the only message you are relaying is violence. When was the last time someone at work or on the streets did something unacceptable and we as adults hauled off and slapped them. If our children are our most loved accomplishments why can we at lease show as much restraint as we do a stranger. I don't think you can slap respect into a person.

  12. Valerie Roach says:

    i have read the comment and neither agree or disagree with what people have to say, yet everyone forget the most important fact here and that this is her child not mine or yours. We all groom and bring up our children the way we want and hope for the best yet when they go wrong we all look towards the parent and blame them for not taking a strong hand in they upbringing. Yet here is a mother that has made that decision to take that hand. Yes it may have been too much but the love she has for her daughter she would rather know that she suffer the pain that she had to take to beat her than the pain she would have to carry when the police knock on her door when someone out there picks her up because of those naked pictures she put on FB and rapes and kills her. Would we all be saying she took it too far then or would be saying why did she not do something when she saw what her daughter was doing. We all forget sometime how head strong we were when we were children and how talking to us never worked either yet the belt at back of the legs worked wonders cause us never forgot the pain. I know times have changed and some people took beating to an abusive level but if some of the youth today got some of that old time training we would not have some many of our kids shot, killed, raped, or locked up. Please dont make judgement without looking at the bigger picture and say what if she didnt.

  13. Valerie, I agree, I don't think she hates her daughter, but every parent handles things different, and I would believe that she warned her daughter about this already.

  14. What did she do that warrant so much beating I think it's too much

  15. I CERTAILY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT VALERIE AND VALERIA I AM SICK OF HEARING THIS IS FROM SLAVERY OR THE CAUSE OF SLAVERY…IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A DAMN SLAVERY ISSUE AND IF MINE DOES THIS AND AS MUCH AS I KNOWS HOW MEN PRAYS ON WEAK LITTLE GIRLS WANTING ATTENTION AND COMES UP MISSING ALAWYS DEAD!! THEN DAMMIT I AM GOING TO PUT THE LAW DOWN AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT BLACK AMERICANS, THIS IS WHY THEIR SONS, AND DAUGHTERS ALL MESS UP ON DRUGS, GONE TO PRISONS, HAVING BABES AT VERY VERY YOUNG AGES, NOT GOING TO GET A EDUCATION BECAUSE THESE SAME PEOPLE THESE SAME DUMMIES, CHILDREN ENDS UP BEING ON WAREFARE & SECTION 8
    BECAUSE THEY THINKS THIS AFRICAN SISTER BEAT HER TOO LONG…WELL IF YOU ALL WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE 60s THIS DID HAPPENED TO ALL OF US, EVEN WORST BECAUSE OUR GENERATION MOTHERS WERE LEADERS AND DID NOT WANT THE NEXT GENERATION BE LOST!!
    THIS IS WHY OUR GENERATION ARE THE LAST AND THE BRIGHTEST OF THE REST DUE TO ASS BEATINGS OUT OF A PURE HEART MY GOODNESS SISTERS YOUR SO YOUNG AND OUT OF TOUCH YOU YOUNG MOTHERS LOSS CONTROL OF YOUR KIDS LONG AGO DUE TO (YOU) DO NOT WANT THEM TO BE DISCLPINARY FOR A THING SUCH AS SHE DONE<>BUT I FORGOT MOST OF YOU MOTHERS COMMENTING ABOUT THIS YOU DOING THE SAME DAMN! THINGS ON YOUR WALLS<>THE HELL WITH YA!! MINE BETTER NEVER DO THIS OR DAD & MOTHER KNOCKING HER BLOCK OFF!!! YOUR COMMENTS ARE DISMISS!! I AGREE WITH ROACH!!

  16. Maurice Chinn says:

    Some kids need they butts whopped!!!!!!!!!!! FOR REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. GOD OR BIBLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CORRECTION WITH A ROD!! HOWEVER THIS BIBLE HASNT DONE OUR ANCESTORS BEFORE US NO SERVICE ACEEPT KEPT US DOWN AND I AM NOT DISRESPECTING YOU SHABAKA…BUT THE MOST HIGH IS THE ALMIGHTY THE JESUS UR PRAYING TOO????? IS NEVER HAS NEVER LIVED BUT IHE WAS THE ALEXANDER THE POPE 14TH CENTURY SON IS YOUR JESUS<>GOOGLE JESUS BORGIAS BETTER YET YOU SHOULD ALWAYS RESEARCH THE ORIGIN LIKE SERAPIS IS JESUS A DEAD EVIL ROMAN WHOM MURDER OUR ANCESTOR
    LOOK ME UP ON FB! I AM A LIBERATOR HONEY….DEEP!

  18. Nzingha Shabaka, SPARE THAT CHILD FROM BEING A 0
    LIKE I SAID LOOK UP YOUR MISEDUCATED BY WHITE MANS BRAIN WORSHIP SORRY!!

  19. The mother might not have done the best thing but I don't see anything wrong with what she did listen to her mother speaking in the video

  20. Nzingha, I agree there are things that have been copied from indoctrination BUT let's take disciplining children off the table. Asians with no background in Western philosophy/religion believe in shaming(CNN just did a piece on this about the crew of the capsized ferry) and even seppuku (committing suicide with your small sword for bringing shame or disgrace to your family/organization ). Asians live in fear of disgracing their parents or their culture. YES, their punishments are not broadcasted anywhere, except recently with the growth of anime, manga and Asian soap-operas. A healthy fear of shaming your household and the consequences that follow, is U-NI-VER-SAL! How the fear is instilled depends on the environment, personality, cognitive ability of the child AND intelligence. Two events I remember when I was a child in the 80's in Jamaica

    1. Hearing about CPS being called on a foreign relative by their child, thus your assumption that these past two generations don't know and haven't been informed about CPS and having sssooooo many parents in fear instead of the other way around, is completely incorrect and shows your hatred of the system has caused you to "over shoot the runway".

    2. Whether being physically disciplined by my mother or verbally scolded by my aunt, the problem of with intelligent and cognitive adults with experience tested knowledge of themselves, is their inability to understand other adults behavior or even their children behavior. I was asked by both of them "why did you do it?" and I'm here to tell you, college educated and a top 10% I.Q. I STILL don't know why I did it. A 16 yo boy jumped secured airport with fence and barb-wire, jumped into an airplane wheel-well, have no clue where this plane is going, but hoping to get to his biological mother in Mali…..and you think sense and sensibility gets through to every child, especially this 12 yo girl who DID post here pantie pic to Facebook according to the words I personally heard the mother say and sent it to some boy???

    Continue your fight of the institutionalized racism and brain-washing but you have this one wrong. These kids in Chicago aren't being disciplined at home and if the discipliner themselves are all thug life and not educating / learning themselves or our culture or OURstory, then I agree that discipline is meaningless and spawns the things you speak of. But this Mother, loving Mother, explained every step of the way of where she, HER daughter, went wrong and even said there would be perverts on Facebook that would be lusting after her…if you are a REAL parent, you can hear the shear pain and disappointment in every word the mother spoke.

  21. …….. depends on the environment, personality, cognitive ability of the child AND intelligence. Two events I remember when I was a child in the 80's in Jamaica

    1. Hearing about CPS being called on a foreign relative by their child, thus your assumption that these past two generations don't know and haven't been informed about CPS and having sssooooo many parents in fear instead of the other way around, is completely incorrect and shows your hatred of the system has caused you to "over shoot the runway".

    2. Whether being physically disciplined by my mother or verbally scolded by my aunt, the problem of with intelligent and cognitive adults with experience tested knowledge of themselves, is their inability to understand other adults behavior or even their children behavior. I was asked by both of them "why did you do it?" and I'm here to tell you, college educated and a top 10% I.Q. I STILL don't know why I did it. A 16 yo boy jumped secured airport with fence and barb-wire, jumped into an airplane wheel-well, have no clue where this plane is going, but hoping to get to his biological mother in Mali…..and you think sense and sensibility gets through to every child, especially this 12 yo girl who DID post here pantie pic to Facebook according to the words I personally heard the mother say and sent it to some boy???

    Continue your fight of the institutionalized racism and brain-washing but you have this one wrong. These kids in Chicago aren't being disciplined at home and if the discipliner themselves are all thug life and not educating / learning themselves or our culture or OURstory, then I agree that discipline is meaningless and spawns the things you speak of. But this Mother, loving Mother, explained every step of the way of where she, HER daughter, went wrong and even said there would be perverts on Facebook that would be lusting after her…if you are a REAL parent, you can hear the shear pain and disappointment in every word the mother spoke.

  22. …… is their inability to understand other adults behavior or even their children behavior. I was asked by both of them "why did you do it?" and I'm here to tell you, college educated and a top 10% I.Q. I STILL don't know why I did it. A 16 yo boy jumped secured airport with fence and barb-wire, jumped into an airplane wheel-well, have no clue where this plane is going, but hoping to get to his biological mother in Mali…..and you think sense and sensibility gets through to every child, especially this 12 yo girl who DID post here pantie pic to Facebook according to the words I personally heard the mother say and sent it to some boy???

    Continue your fight of the institutionalized racism and brain-washing but you have this one wrong. These kids in Chicago aren't being disciplined at home and if the discipliner themselves are all thug life and not educating / learning themselves or our culture or OURstory, then I agree that discipline is meaningless and spawns the things you speak of. But this Mother, loving Mother, explained every step of the way of where she, HER daughter, went wrong and even said there would be perverts on Facebook that would be lusting after her…if you are a REAL parent, you can hear the shear pain and disappointment in every word the mother spoke.

  23. ……racism and brain-washing but you have this one wrong. These kids in Chicago aren't being disciplined at home and if the discipliner themselves are all thug life and not educating / learning themselves or our culture or OURstory, then I agree that discipline is meaningless and spawns the things you speak of. But this Mother, loving Mother, explained every step of the way of where she, HER daughter, went wrong and even said there would be perverts on Facebook that would be lusting after her…if you are a REAL parent, you can hear the shear pain and disappointment in every word the mother spoke.

  24. This young Woman is 12 years old, she does not have any business posting inappropriate photos on facebook. She deserves that ass whooping and she will not do it anymore. Most of the Caribbeans parents they make the rules God forbid the child breaks the rules#obeytherules

  25. To Nzingha Shabaka I completely agree with this mother,she is doing her job as a parent she is only 12 years old,what kind of business does she have to post inappropriate picture on social media?Do you know how many black kids that are in jail for silly thing
    I don't see nothing wrong with that,she is just disciplining her child she does not want the police to do it for her

  26. Is this what we pay these people for? All that comes from book, I always learnt that experience is the best teacher, did any of these doctors ever being disciplined with a strap to know if there is any sort of damages? I think not.I was disciplined like that when I was a kid, an made me to be a respected person an also productive.

  27. Antonio Martin I am trying to tell you black people, beating our children, violence and hate among each other, these behaviors are nothing less than Post Slavery Syndrome. Along with what the bible says, about sparing the rod, it is hard to get christians to see otherwise, the bible also condone slavery, and black folk going around here quoting the bible. I use my common sense, (critical thinking) to carry me through this life.

  28. Valerie, thnk u! n total agreement – prayer 4 th family, especially th father – 2 take his rightful position n th fam, prayer 4 th authorities 2 remove th judgement n allow this mother 2 parent frm th cyber wolves of 2day n effectively educate her daughter on th dangers of same. n instead having n opinion frm those n authority, why not come up wit better practicies n our schools, workplaces n public awareness campaigns tht hlps kids understand just how dangerous cyber world really is when they believe parents fall short. blessings!

  29. Stacy Smith says:

    There has been a subsequent video released stating the mother tried everything until she got to this point. It's funny how now everybody has something to say but as the parent was going through no one was there to help. This child, I repeat child, was posting things on the internet to attract men, I repeat men. While you may not agree, I would rather see this mother as a last resort give her 63 lashes than read about the death of this child after she has been rape, sodomized, tortured and or received 63 lashes in some sick pervert's fantasy before he killed her all the while this child may have thought she was just going on a date or hook up. As a society, we have also added to these woes. Over exposing children and youth to sex at an early age, violence and basically setting a tone of, " If it feels good do it." There was a saying among the elders around me, "I'd rather beat you first then let someone else in jail do it later," with the premise being at some point you have consequences for your actions and they can be imposed and tempered by someone who loves you and is doing it for you betterment, or you can get it from one who will inflict it for your punishment and doesn't care about your overall well-being. While the primary persons responsible for this child is her parents, before you all get on your high and mighty horses and start superimposing your values or lack there of on this woman and her family, you try raising her and before you judge think about what you would do to save your child.

  30. Thank you Brother Maurice Chinn!

  31. If everybody believe or felt the way you feel, we would have so many children harm, in fact we still have too many hurt, and like yourself ,fail to speak up, or at least report abuse to authority. It takes a village to raise a child, that includes protecting the children.

  32. Nzingha Shabaka Post Slavery Syndrome??.the bible says???. i KNOW YOU ARE IGNORANT. what does a book with contradictions, and a lot of manipulations has to say?. I invite you to be more thoughtfull of what you believe. I think you are ignorant because your so called religion. criticises, important things in life with out a coherent argument. you just say "god told me so" the bible says" you don´t see what the real things are, look around you. I invite you to use your brain. Don´t waste your time being controled of wath they tell you to think and believe. make your own judgement. Christians from above all religions think that what they are supposed to believe is the true true. You see it is true that the mother might used an old eduational method but how else? if she´s ignorant of another method and besides we live in a time where your daughter can be taped getting raped and a lot of people will watch it for pleasure, there is a lot of people who watch thiss sort of videos for fun and morbid pporpuses don´t make your own conclutions, for a religion that lies to you. I invite you to read more, if you believe in Jesus our lord christ dont see him as a repressor as someone who tells you that art is bad, that excluding and being raisist with something you do not believe is ok.
    If you are in the constant search of god look for it in good intensions.
    You believe that sex is bad sex is the most wonderful thing god created but it is the bad education that provoques this sort of misunderstandings. I see in that as we say in spanish "encabronada" (very angry) woman a voice of fear and love for her daughter don´t you see? she wants to give a message. maybe to the fuckers that watch her naked on the internet. which it might be wrong because for know on that girl will be bullied the world right now is really cruel. but she won´t be a spoiled child. posting provocative photos at that age talks about a sexual awakening and it is great!!! that is one of the human´s life most important moment, unfortunately it´s not like our times when we were measured and guided by our parents. think about it. don´t be prinitive because if you keep your mind that close you are loosing life my friend. good luck and good night!! YA NO LA CHINGUES PINCHE CRISTIANO!! ALIVIANATE CABRON!! VIVE TU VIDA WEY!!

  33. Golden Heart says:

    Madam I am a victim of child abuse by my mother. From a very young age of 10 years my mother use to pick on me innocent kick me, burn me abuse me mentally physically you name it i got all from her. i am now 43 and cant get space in my heart to forgive her. Madam this child is now growing with anger inside and you will leave to regret it. You have lost this child.

  34. Golden Heart says:

    I am 43 and is a victim of child abuse by my mother i cant get space in my heart to forgive her. This child has anger and will rebel when she will be an adult.

  35. SURE HEY, ME TAKE FULL RESPONCIBILITY 4 THIS GIRL'S BEATTING AZ SHE WAZ MOST PROBABLY INSPIRED, INN-CAR-RAGED N MOTIVATED N PUSHED BY ME N MA REVELATION OF MA PUR-POOSE N NATURAL BEAIG ASS-SETS HEY – FULLY X-PAC'T-INN DAH CHARGES N WILL KEEP ENCORAGING SUCH REVELATIONS INN DEAR FUTURE OK! SO PLZ, KEEPIT SAFE OK! SORRY 2 ALL MOMS HOO MISS-UNDERSTAND MA NATURE N THUS LABLE ME ALL SORTS OF THINS WEN DEY ALL KNO DEAR TRUT 2 SEEN!
    1
    JAH-BLESS

  36. SURE HEY, ME TAKE FULL RESPONCIBILITY 4 THIS GIRL'S BEATTING AZ SHE WAZ MOST PROBABLY INSPIRED, INN-CAR-RAGED N MOTIVATED N PUSHED BY ME N MA REVELATION OF MA PUR-POOSE N NATURAL BEAIG ASS-SETS HEY – FULLY X-PAC'T-INN DAH CHARGES N WILL KEEP ENCORAGING SUCH REVELATIONS INN DEAR FUTURE OK! SO PLZ, KEEPIT SAFE OK! SORRY 2 ALL MOMS HOO MISS-UNDERSTAND MA NATURE N THUS LABLE ME ALL SORTS OF THINS WEN DEY ALL KNO DEAR TRUT 2 SEEN!1 – JAHBLESS

  37. Sister Stacy Smith, I totally agree, I think your statement has shut everybody UP, well said my sister.

  38. Judy Lxn says:

    No need to beat your child. PERIOD. If you have done the work while they are coming up, then this is not necessaryI have seen it too many times before….and it needs to STOP. Teach your child by modeling decent behavior..by letting them face consequences…but not by beating…

  39. Judy Lxn says:

    Nzingha Shabaka
    you have it right, and God bless. If you are a parent you have some lucky children. Respect breeds respect. If you don't respect your child, and do not teach them to respect you, then you have lost that child.beating a child teaches nothing. Except that might makes right. And no discipline in the home means no self dscipline in the world…thank you

  40. Judy Lxn says:

    and there is No Way in HELL this is the first time that woman used this strap…smdh

  41. Miguel Velez
    yes, post slavery syndrome is merely a bullcrap excuse imo- IF- slavery had all to do with it- explain why in the 1940's etc there were successful home and family oriented black families everywhere?

  42. Golden, I feel sorry for you. You ARE a victim of child abuse. BUT, as a victim, you have PTSD. You cannot differentiate disciplining with a lesson vs your tortuous ordeal. Anything I say after this you will reject but for the record, the girl has already done a video stating she loves her mother and what her mother did was right and she sees the err of her ways. As a war vet, certain situation give make me "alert" / "anxious" that a person would find normal. So just like you can't ask a vet not be alert in situations that have affect him, I will not ask you to see this as normal. Sorry for your ruff childhood but at least you've made it twice the age of mortality for a young black man in America for the past 20 years(as far as I know of)

  43. I haven't spanked my son in a long time, because he knows what I expect, before I spank my kids, I have a three strike rule, the first two times, I talk to them with compassion and love, the third strike, there is no more talking. But my kids are older, I did that, when they were coming of age. I have good children, and they are not thugs, and disrespect no adults. It's all due to the strap, and I rarely spanked my kids, as it was not my first option in everything, I just never ruled it out. @nzingha shabaka I understand what you are trying to say, and yes I do believe we are to teach our children, explain why certain things are not good, and also things that are good. But sometimes, I believe, a lot of mothers, cannot, separate themselves, from friend and child, a lot of children take advantage of those type situations.

  44. I am sorry that happened to you, sister.

  45. Miguel Velez If you need to name call to make a point, do not try to make it with me. Obviously, your reading comp is whacked, where did you get it from, I get my information from the bible. I am not a christian or Islam. Besides you are not in no position to comment or offer solutions to African people's problems. Well I will put it this way, you cannot offer any to me.

  46. society pays a HUGE price for the violence of "other peoples" children…so- there is no way that will not impact the future of many…including their own. When are people going to "get it"?

  47. Gabrielle Samson
    hitting is NOT "discipline"…smh

  48. Lesley Weisbrod says:

    I watched this videos and read all the comments and am absolutely disgusted. I don't care what this child did she did not deserve this kind of beating. I am a mother of four and I do believe that you have to discipline your children and give them rules so they hopefully grow in to great people who are productive members of society. I have 3 teenage boys and a 2 year old daughter and I have NEVER EVER even thought that beating my child with a belt was appropriate. You don't teach your children through violence. There is enough of that outside the home. Maybe kids need a spanking once in a while but that wasn't a spanking, That poor child was hit in in her back her legs her butt and her head. That is unacceptable and that so many of you think she deserved it and are ok with this makes me sick. Give me a belt and let me give you 63 lashes all over your body and see what you think then. I feel sorry for your children. This woman in the video is disgusting and she should get the same beating by someone twice her size and strength. My kids are good students, they are respectful, they stay out of trouble and I have never beat them so as a parent and a person with a brain in my head I can say that this is not the way to discipline. She went to far and her children should be taken out of her home and put with a family that can show them love and teach them respect and life skills with out beating them.

  49. Stacy Smith You are spinning words. There is no excuse for this woman to physically abuse her daughter. Take the computer from her, and have a sit down conversation with the young lady. If she fail to listen, or is receptive of her mother's advice, there are people in place, she can go to for help, to get the young child to understand, her behavior, is endangering her.

  50. Golden Heart says:

    Not here to argue, i am a mother of 2 and would never abuse my kids. There is a difference between abuse and correction.

  51. Stacy Smith says:

    Nzingha Shabaka No I'm not, I was very clear, but you however do appear to be over simplifying the matter. As a professor your answer sounds typical to one of my freshman or sophomore student's classroom responses but as a practitioner it tells me you have had little, if any, exposure to working with troubled youth in this day and age, and if you have worked them you are not in-tuned to what they say and do out of your presence. If it were that easy we would probably not be having this dialogue and moreover, the world would not be having the current problems being experienced with youth globally. And as a person who works in academia and the family and children services arena and having had to work with communities, schools, businesses and funeral homes to bury children who have been killed by a pervert's hand, this is a topic that is very near and dear to me and just like all I struggle and admittedly don't have all the answers. Additionally, while I don't applaud corporal punishment, when it is used, especially as a last resort to get your child to see the true cruelty of this world before she may unknowingly experience it because of her naivety and recklessness at the tender young age of 12, I refuse to indite it. The child's actions could have lead to her demise and whether we admit it or not, in some situations the consequences of our actions are final and we don't get a second chance to get it right or straighten up. And may I also take this time once again to point out while you took the time to do the easy part which was to respond to me, I humbly ask, did you find a way to reach that mother you have so much advise for or did you just give your advise and retreat back to your world leaving her to deal with her's?. Again, everybody can talk and pontificate, but very few act. Since you are so well verse in other places name a few in her area and send it to the editor or even put them on this forum. Even saying what I just said, it's not meant to attack or put you on the spot but what so many people like you fail to realize is these people live in real time not in your head of remedies after the fact.

  52. Stacy Smith Let me get this straight, you say you are a professor, what does that mean? Are you a professor on children's behavior, and renders professional advice on children's behavior? Surely you are not telling us, you approve of corporal punishment, and to this extent, I hope not. Corporal punishment is not accepatable in my book, and should not for our black children,or no children. Behavior doctors do not recommend this, so where are you getting your expert advice from? Do you realize how much corporal punishment blacks have been subjected too? We are talking over 400 years, our children, black women, and men, up to this day, look what they did to Rodney King, bless him, and may he rest in peace. I really do not know what you are saying. These beating on black people were done at the hands of others, at that.

  53. Sister I tonam sorry that happen to you. Much love to you my African queen.

  54. Stacy Smith says:

    Nzingha Shabaka Yes I am a professor and that means I have acquired the necessary schooling, credentials and experience to not only advise the situation but teach it. Regarding my position I made it very clear. Further, I also engage research, am published too and understand that those other authors of the books you maybe reading, don't raise the children in my life, I and my family do, which I surmise is the same for the woman in the video and many more families struggling to raise troubled youth. I don't nor do I teach anyone to just read and quote history, research studies and behavior doctors that may be just out of school themselves and engaging in research designs and studies that we don't even know or may not agree with their methodologies, implications or validity of tools used to conduct their studies, or whether they could be applied to the situation one my be undergoing, and surely you are not suggesting that all research or studies or behavior doctors' recommendations apply to all situations. My suggestion is get out of the books and get into experiencing the real world of youth and families and see what is happening and then tell me how much your doctors and books help. Its knowledge and application, not either or. Reading without application and experience is just an opinion, and while I don't agree with yours, I acknowledge and respect your right to have one, you may want to reciprocate that effort with others.

  55. Gabrielle Samson You just don't get it. No one said the young lady should not be discipline, but a beat down? No,

  56. Stacy Smith No mame professor, a lot of my knowledge comes from reading, and observation, whatever. You are spinning, and your spinning need to get real. I said that because, one, you did not answer my questions. Why are you saying I get my knowledge from inexperience doctors, or reading, where did you get that from? Since you said I get my information from doctors just out of school, well let's look at what the old experienced doctors, or anybody who work with people with behavior problems, professor please, you cannot find it no where, where it is recommended to use corporal punishment to correct problems. You know this, you need to answer the questions, and just say you do not believe what the experts says, and we should beat the heck our of young children. Thanks for the advice, as a former real estate broker, and housing manager for many years, serving multifamilies, and every race, trust me, I know what is going on. You made the statement knowledge and application, well let's us take application, black parents, obviously you too, have applied corporal punishment, and show me the proof it works, we have blacks students in my city, teachers cannot teach because of their fighting, and cutting up, parents are whipping ass too, and it does not help, it is causing these students to fight more, and get along like cats and dogs. I am done professor. Thank you.

  57. Stacy Smith says:

    Nzingha Shabaka You may read well but comprehension is another issue and this appears to be trite but I will give it one more college try. I don't care who the so call authorities are, young or old and while I realize you have a great depth of knowledge about families and children as a housing counselor and a real estate agent, my entire premise in response to you was books and advice of people you do or don't know are of no affect unless they can be appropriately applied to the context of the family's situation. Now I don't know, my BSW, MSW and pending completion of my dissertation, PhD in the same area and last article I published in the area of child victimization may not qualify me in your book to make a well informed decision regarding this family's situation but I'm good with everything I said.

  58. The mother of that child suited her right cause I have heard about worse scenarios. I find that belt too thin

  59. …Wait is that it? WTF? Everyone making a big thing out of this? The most hit that girl get was coming to the end of the video. All the other time she was just dodging, is a freakin cheap flimsy belt I have one just like that. My god why do people make big fuss out of stupid things. D girl was wrong, she got discipline she won't do it anymore. What the mother did worked, let it go and go be parents to your own children however you want to. Of course we live in a world where some people take it to far but this woman didnt. So let it the hell go. The child isnt bitchin about it. So what the heck wrong with the grown ups? God, what a waste of time.

  60. Lol! Good one. Ppl who are single, tired parents trying 2 raise dere kids in dis modern age have 2 deal wid 2 much! Offer some help or prayers or hush!

  61. chris I sooooo agree with you

  62. Whipping is NOT parenting. Whippings are for slaves. This is a disgusting violation of the child's right to be parented.

  63. Whipping is NOT parenting. Whippings are for slaves. This is a disgusting violation of the child's right to be parented. Trinidad is a party to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child – corporal punishment of children is a violation of the CRC.

  64. That is the damn truth

  65. Whipping is NOT parenting. Whippings are for slaves. This is a disgusting violation of the child's right to be parented. Trinidad is a party to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child – corporal punishment of children is a violation of the CRC.

  66. So you are comparing a cat-a-nine tails whip to the middle of a belt? And you bring up policies brought up to economically control and mentally enslave Black people and any form of government they might have ever attempted to gain from the times of slavery? These enslavers play you like a puppet on a string. The only education you have is what they have clearly given to you. No law is universal and should be expected to apply to all. If that was the case, there would be no wars cause no one could kill another and no one could order another to kill. But there are instances when it is ok, aren't there?

  67. Anthony Farley
    thank you for being a voice of reason. Maybe they will put 2 and 2 together…bless you.

  68. well said Chris, so true'

  69. Nzingha Shabaka You said I just don't get it. Of course I get it, so many children now are very defiant, slick and have no regard for any authorithies actions=consequences.

  70. Daniel Gooding says:

    Degenerate. Hope she gets arrested or something.

  71. Daniel Gooding says:

    Nzingha, I agree 100%. It is all learned behavior from Post Slavery plus the bible quote. It was excessive and barbaric; just like slavery, just like the bible.

  72. Walkiria Jacomini says:

    One word: Ignorance!!!!

  73. You can say what you want. But i pose this to all of you that say she should not discipline her daughter if the girl came up missing, raped and worse because she was portraying herself as older everyone of you would be talking about where was her parents. Brainwashing is what the system does telling these parents that their kids have ADD, ADHD and they should be put on meds when what needs to happen is parents need to step in. Everyone talks about how kids are out of control and then try to reprimand the parents who try to do something is ridiculous. I came from a time when you were doing wrong you got your butt whipped and I have never been in jail or even arrested. My generations well most of us would not even think about doing some of this stuff these kids do because there were consequences now there are none until the kids are out of control. SO I say again good for that mother take responsibility and do what you got to do. If we as parents don't do it the prison system will.

  74. Sorry Mr. Lawyer and Professor but you are not in the mother's shoes. KUDOS to you mom for doing what you have to do to get your daughter on the straight and narrow path. You caught it just in time before the situation got worse and the blame game started. Sorry if anyone disagrees with your method of taking care of the matter but they are not the ones who feed her, who cloth her, or who are there for her when she has a headache or a stomach ache. You are. You are better off taking care of the situation now than letting the police take care of it for you later on. They will have no pity or mercy. Guess what, no one will complain when the police take care of it. You alone will be weeping. Your method of discipline in this instance is justified. I'm pretty sure she learned her lesson. She will not do it again.

  75. Thomas Muething says:

    Nzingha Shabaka Sparing the rod is actually not from the Bible. It is from a bawdy poem called 'Hudibras'!

  76. Thomas Muething says:

    Nzingha Shabaka Again, 'spare the rod, spoil the child' is not from the Bible–it is from a raunchy poem named 'Hudibras'. However, the Bible is certainly not anti-corporal punishment…

  77. I'm open to free speech and opinion and all, but can we ban Anthony Farley on bases he has copied and pasted that same tired response that completely shows his inability to have an intelligent conversation and not regurgitate imperialist agendas on this topic?? Prof Smith, as long as you don't get corrupted by imperialist agenda, please continue to do your research into true science of psychology. It's funny that Ms Shabaka is the first to talk about slavery, but doesn't mention that the slavers then through various means are telling us to not discipline our children. She refuses to acknowledge that physical disciplining of a child has been around looonngg before the enslavers descended from the Caucasus Mountains. She thinks it's only 400 years of oppression of African Americans, another imperialist lie.

  78. I am sorry but the little girl deserved to get her butt beat, I bet she wont go sexting a guy again or posting inappropriate pictures on Facebook, people wanna believe its child abuse but if the kid deserves it or does something really bad then yes someone needs to beat their butts, people did it in the old days so I dont see the problem and I am sorry but the kids now a days get away with to much and people wonder why they are so bad and disrespectful, yes she shouldn't have posted it but its her child and she should be able to choose how she punishes her kid, some people wanna act like they dont spank their kids but we all know they do, spanking are useful for bad kids

  79. I agree with you I think children get away with way to much now a days, they are cursing, fighting, drinking, smoking, doing drugs and partying like adults, I am only 22 but I still know what its like to have real old fashion parenting the right parenting

  80. Sorry Mr. Lawyer and Professor but you are not in the mother's shoes. KUDOS to you mom for doing what you have to do to get your daughter on the straight and narrow path. You caught it just in time before the situation got worse and the blame game started. Sorry if anyone disagrees with your method of taking care of the matter but they are not the ones who feed her, who cloth her, or who are there for her when she has a headache or a stomach ache. You are. You are better off taking care of the situation now than letting the police take care of it for you later on. They will have no pity or mercy. Guess what, no one will complainwhen the police take care of it. You alone will be weeping. Your method of discipline in this instance is justified. I'm pretty sure she learned her lesson. She will not do it again.

  81. Cosandra Foreman Whipping is NOT parenting. Whippings are for slaves. Parents do not OWN their children. Whipping, as we also know, is a sexual form of violence. Corporal punishment is sexual violence. Corporal punishment of children is sexual violence against children. Support for corporal punishment is support for sexual violence against children. This kind of violence sets up shop in the child's soul and reproduces itself in the child's adult behavior: For example, nearly all supporters of violence as a method of child rearing were themselves violently violated as children. To the violent mother in this film: Talk to your child. Do not whip your child. Your child is your responsibility, not your property. Your parents probably whipped you when you were a child. They should have talked to you instead of treating you the way we were all treated during slavery. But you do not have to continue the evil. You have a choice. Slavery is wrong, but it only ends when we end it. Choose.

  82. Whipping is NOT parenting. Whippings are for slaves. Parents do not OWN their children. Whipping, as we also know, is a sexual form of violence. Corporal punishment is sexual violence. Corporal punishment of children is sexual violence against children. Support for corporal punishment is support for sexual violence against children. This kind of violence sets up shop in the child's soul and reproduces itself in the child's adult behavior: For example, nearly all supporters of violence as a method of child rearing were themselves violently violated as children. To the mother in this film: Talk to your child. Do not whip your child. Your child is your responsibility, not your property. Your parents probably whipped you when you were a child. They should have talked to you instead of treating you the way we were all treated during slavery. But you do not have to continue the evil. You have a choice. Slavery is wrong, but it only ends when we end it. Choose.

  83. She posted almost nude pictures to facebook for popularity and claimed to be 21…She DESERVED that beating. I hate articles like this that don't state something as basic…

  84. Anthony Farley I KNEW what "abuse" was growing up. I wont go into detail, but if it could happen- it happened. I vowed i would NOT do to my children as was done to me. I took a parenting class, before I even THOUGHT about having kids. I never had to so much as spank my kids growing up. They are both successful adults wit good jobs, and lots of friends. Were they perfect? No. But when they had problems, they came to me…whether i wanted to hear it or not…and I gave them the best advice I could muster. Me? i was a wreck coming up…ran away, etc, etcl….Im lucky my kids turned out as well as they did….That little girl is going to end up a goner….just like the rest who constantly get torn down and beat up…keep on saying what you have to say, you know what you are talking about..

  85. Funny thing almost nobody here knows the REAL reason for the beating. In a translated video, apparently the 12/13 year old girl posted semi-nude photos to facebook for likes and claimed to be 21, obviously bringing dangerous attention to herself. If you had a daughter that did this, you would also flip your shit and do the same, if not more. Investigate about shit before you start commenting ignorant crap.

  86. Nzingha Shabaka Post slavery syndrome?? are you kidding me??? every single race on the face of the earth has, at some point in history, been enslaved… your statement is completely ludacris

  87. Quincy DaInfantry Douglas this is genious

  88. that woman needs punched in her face i raised 3 girls in condiions 100xs worse and NEVER hit m girls you need to raise them right single mom in the getto or not

  89. Amberle King says:

    I don't agree with all the people on saying black people beat their kids because there ancestors where beaten, I was beaten and raped and abused as a child and I do not do that to my kids or other people you treat your kids the way you want to treat them saying that that's how you grew up is just an excuse to not take responsibility for it, just my opinion

  90. That is a very ignorant thing to say!

  91. Thomas Muething Thanks for the information. As a child I remember, them using it a lot in church. Where ever it comes from, it is bad advice.

  92. Tiffany Elizabeth Rich I am responding to you for two reason. One, no other race has been held in slavery as long as African people, any body, held as long as my people, they would be going through the same thing. Yes, we do suffer Post Slavery Syndrome, how would you know? You cannot make the call like that, because other people were enslaved too. No comparision, therefore, you cannot speak on the damages African people suffer, if we say we were, who are you to say, we were not? Secondly, I see you are associated with my main supplement supplier. Great products, and prices.

  93. Norma Mckinney says:

    I don't usually comment on this stuff but watching this just about made me sick. First of all, why put it on Facebook for the world to see? If the mother uses the belt for punishment it should be used on the child's bottom, not her arms and back. There has to be a better way to discipline this child. I do believe in "spare the rod, spoil the child" however, it needs to be done correctly. God bless this family.

  94. no wonder they kill themselves or go on the streets and join gangs and drugs, etc. parents like that are not parenting

  95. if the mother was disciplining her for sending a pic of her naked or whatever then i think the mother has every right to discipline her how the mother sees fit…this was not that bad and the girl probably does not listen to any other means anyway

  96. After experiencing what would today be considered child abuse when I was I child, I raised my children with corporal punishment as the last means of correction, they did get spanked occasionally but as a last resort, (the bar of lava soap in the mouth for 5 minutes worked better) I read the story and thought my god 6 minutes of beating her with a belt? Then I watched he video, most of it was her talking to the child and explaining the error of her ways and slapping the belt at her. Most of the connects were her hands and arm, a few landed on her backside finally at the end. If mom had tried in the past to correct her behavior and nothing else worked then this was a justifiable punishment especially if it saves her from ending up raped or worse. Mom did not appear to be angry just determined that this time her daughter was going to have consequences and understand the behavior would not be accepted any longer, no she did not go too far and the punishment fit the crime

  97. Honey Stevenson says:

    READ THE BIBLE NOTHING ELSE TO BE SAID PROVERBS 13:24

  98. Crystal G. Clark says:

    Go mom! I would of tore that butt up too!

  99. No child should b beaten like that it makes me sick

  100. José Repetto Menéndez says:

    I agree with you, I hope this animal, this "mother" spends at least a few months in jail.

  101. José Repetto Menéndez says:

    "dangerous attention"
    The real danger here is this so-called mom. Let's hope she's arrested.

  102. Toni Khan says:

    That is abuse! Beatings like this will do nothing but push that girl of of the house as soon as she can find a man that will take her. I wouldn't stick around and get beat like that!

  103. One overbearing out of control parent. I believe in disipline, but this is overboard!!!!3

  104. stupid fucked bitch ….let me beat ur ass and put it on Facebook u dirty cunt!!!

  105. Look at this she is beating up the kid in her towel and you can actually see part of her breast. What is this? You over did it mummy. SHAME!!!

  106. Priscilla Smith says:

    Oh yuck! No no no.
    Not the best way to handle it, but it's not my child either.

  107. Josanne, your mother has serious issues, punching &kicking, what that mother was doing was disciplining dat child, we all got whipings never like wat your mom gave you, now dat was abuse.

  108. She went too far and should be jailed just like any other person white or black jail her ass for about a year

  109. I don't Care what anyone has to say. This is purely child abuse! She hit her 63 times and mostly on the arms and back. God gave children a place between the bottom of the back and the top of the legs in which to give spankings. And 63 times is ridiculous! Taking her computer away would have been more punishment to a girl that age than beating her! Makes me sick!

  110. All these negative stupid ass ppl need to shut the fuck up the girl got her ass tore up because she deserved it posting pix of herself at 12 years old I'd whip my daughter's ass too.

  111. Tara Timmins says:

    That many slashes is child abuse and putting s video of well u had it coming to you. That mom should get it to
    !!

  112. Patricia Benfield says:

    I don't care what the reason is no child deserves that. The only thing she is teaching is how to beat your child. And it goes around and around.

  113. Courtney Marie Massie says:

    I'm sorry but i think the mother deserves to have her children taken away and she needs some time to rot in jail..my heart aches for that poor child..some ppl don't deserve to be able to have children

  114. people are totally blowing this out of proportion .. 12 on facebook sending sexy pics clearly she needed to get punished. This is not abuse it is called discipline which many of my generation, including myself received and were grateful for. If she is 12 and pregnant people would say where was her mother. Please note that kids in those countries don't kill their parents in their sleep like kids here do,,, perhaps it has to do with the fact that kids there know who is the head of the household.

  115. Darislen Tesero says:

    I really don't care that most of you disagree but since this is America and I have the freedom to say whatever the fuck I want. The mother did justice. My mom was way worse than that and my mother taught me well.

  116. Rhonda Carroll says:

    Sergei Edoardo Garcia Ortega NO CHILD deserves to be beaten like that !!! If the mom is so concerned about ALMOST NUDE pictures then she should put a decent shirt on her self !!

  117. Brandi Lynn says:

    She should be in jail and I hope she stays there at least 63 days!! How can you teach your children anything when you are just as stupid!!!!

  118. Judy Lxn says:

    Nzingha Shabaka
    during the 30's, 40's and 50's, black families were intact…Mother, Father, working…going to church on sunday…while things weren't perfect they were much better than they are today. So how do you explain the difference. I have a pretty good idea of what happened, i would like to know what your explaination might be?
    I am in no way trying to be insulting.

  119. Judy Lxn says:

    "discipline" is NOT "beating"…the only thing she learned was to be more careful.."next time"

  120. Judy Lxn Intergration, drugs, uprising of christian preacher, holding black people back, offers no effective solutions, or ideas to move our race forward, except, pray, not effective, black people prayed through 400 years being held as slaves, to escape slavery, didn't happen, 150 years later black people still praying for justice, prayers not answered. Black people being educated from an Eurocentric curriculum, glorifying slave holders, and teaching us we did nothing in the development of civilization, biggest lie ever told. We created it all, and our children is never taught the greatness of African people, before the conquorers came to Africa. We have more history than anyone, glorious history.

  121. Judy Lxn says:

    Nzingha Shabaka
    When the sexual "revolution" took hold, along with feminism, and the "War on Poverty"…THAT was when the fathers were taken out of your lives….granted it happened with white families also, but it was specifically targeted for marginalized peoples. i am not discounting anything what you are saying, i just wanted to add to it. The breakdown of the family, and then throw drugs and sex on top of it..and there are the ripe pickings for a demoralized society…
    So now what are the solutions?
    Beating children isnt going to help matters.
    The are children , not chattel

  122. WOW….I have read alot of the comments on here and alot of people on here are saying that it is normal for "black" people to punish their child this way….wtf is wrong with all of you, these are our children, our gifts from God and alot of you seem to think that its ok to treat a CHILD in this manner. I don't care if you are black, white, purple, polk-a-dotted its still WRONG to treat our children like this…..wow that bitch should be beat with that belt too….aren't we supposed to forgive our children, love them no matter what? this is aweful.

  123. Quincy DaInfantry Douglas STILL doesnt justify her hitting that girl the way she did. a "spanking" is a swift quick swat! THIS WAS A BEAT DOWN. ABUSE. i dont care wich way you try to justify it.

  124. Well, my opinion that mother SHOULD NOT make the video of them while she whipped her daughter on FB. She would learn her lesson that she will not do it again. I was used whipped by my grandma because she disciplined me very well and I learned my lesson. Today i have been seen some teenagers are really awful behaviors, immature and disrespect..I understand why some parents are afraid to go to jail because their children will report on them that they whip them..I hate seeing these kids are DISRESPECT! ugh..that is LACK OF DISCIPLINE!!! IJS

  125. Nathalie Bussieres-Pretty says:

    This is seriously innapropriate behaviour. I have never hit my children and think that people who do only promote abuse to continue for years to come with their own children. there are ways to discipline without harming your children. I am appauled that this video has gone viral, its bullying from a parent now. What are we teaching kids if this is what is happening? This video made me very angry and upset that she not only hit her child once but 63 times….Come on, that is definatly abuse people this woman should be charged with child abuse!

  126. except that is a human being and most comments are sick people that accept the abuse of everyone on them…plus killing the disease with the whole patient (the mental health of the girl) its not a solution…sick ppl where did you get those ideas? from 500 years ago?

  127. Sapphire Cire says:

    criminal

  128. Sapphire Cire says:

    those with no sin cast the first stone

  129. Sapphire Cire says:

    you deserve to get you ass but too, another criminal

  130. Sapphire Cire says:

    no one deserve to be punished like they were in jail, love is what we need to conquer it is the way, Jesus died for us to learn how to love

  131. Sapphire Cire says:

    to all who agree to this horrific beating, have you ever done something to deserve a beating like this, if you have sinned ever you also deserve to be beaten.

  132. Sapphire Cire says:

    Mankind needs to learn to be human beings not just physical being, when your spiritual and physical becomes one you then become a human being and peace can reign, within every being there lives love and hate it is there fore your choice which you prefer to live within you, remember both cant live there. LET LOVE REIGN, NO MORE PAIN. LET LOVE REIGN NO MOR PAIN, we can teach love instead of agreeing to punishment, if Love reign there would be no room for hate and suffering. EDUCATE YOUR SELF ON HOW TO BECOME PEACEFUL BEINGS, BECOME AWARE OF WHO YOU ARE, LOVE LOVE LOVE!!!!!!!

  133. Sapphire Cire says:

    MOTHER OF THIS CHILD, YOU YOURSELF NEED LOVE YOU NEED PEACE, I SEND MY LOVE TO YOU, MY GOD BLESS YOU AND SHOW YOU THE WAY, MAY HE GUIDE YOU TO LOVE BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF HAD TO ENDURE PUNISHMENT, YOU YOURSELF HAVE BEEN A TEEN, THIS IS A DIFFERENT WORLD WE LIVE IN FROM WHEN THERE WAS NO INTERNET, EDUCATE YOUR SELF WITH THE USE OF THE INTERNET OR GET RID OF IT IN YOUR HOME. WHY DOES YOUR 12 YEAR OLD HAVE A FACE BOOK PAGE, TAKE HERE TO CHURCH, LOVE YOUR CHILD, EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES, SO THEN LETS ALL LINE UP AT YOUR HOUSE TO BE BEATEN, SINCE YOU ARE GOD. WHAT SHE DID WAS WRONG. BUT OTHER OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, AND BY HER BODY ACTIONS COMING BACK TO YOU TO RECEIVE MORE LASHES SAYS A GREAT DEAL TO EDUCATED PEOPLE THAT SHE IS CAPABLE OF LISTENING TO YOU. LOVE HER AND SHE WILL LOVE YOU STOP YELLING SO MUCH AND USING SUCH FOUL LANGUAGE TO YOUR CHILD,ALOT OF WOMEN ARE LONGING TO HAVE KIDS AND CANT. I AM SORRY YOUR FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH THIS HAVE FAITH.

  134. Sapphire Cire says:

    WHAT I WOULD SAY TO MY CHILDREN. YOU ARE ALMOST A TEENAGER, YOUR HORMONES ARE RAGING, LEAVING YOUR MIND INCAPABLE OF MAKING, REASONABLE DECISIONS, WHAT EVER YOU POST ON FACE BOOK WILL COMEBACK TO HAUNT U IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I SEE ALL THAT YOU POST IT WILL GET BACK TO ME, AND THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR ANYTHING YOU POST INAPPROPIATLY.IF SHE DID'NT LISTEN I WOULD GET INTOUCH WITH FACEBOOK AND LET THEM NOW MY CHILD IS 12 AND HAD THAT KIND OF POST UP AND BAND HER FROM ANY INTERNET USE, FIND SOMETHING ELSE FOR HER TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT WOULD MAKE HER A BETTER PERSON.

  135. Quincy DaInfantry Douglas I was beat with a belt, a switch, a paddle, hell I was even punched a few times when I was a kid. I don't have PTSD from that. I was how ever punished for being an asshole. Guess what I learned. NOT TO DO IT AGAIN.

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